um just started with after Sports practices he would massage me and uh we would have these talks and he would show me and he would fondle me and he would ask me to do the same with him and I would I would touch him and we would undress um where would that take place in my bedroom and how often would this happen like two or three times a week um not too long began to change when did it begin to change I'm not sure exactly at what time but almost close to when I was seven
just became more involved what do you mean more involved um we would be in the bathroom and uh it would he would put me on my knees and he would guide me all my movements and I would um uh have oral sex with him want to do this at some point did he do some other things to you all right yes what else did he do to you foreign objects uh what kind of objects toothbrush and some sort of Shaving utensil brush what would he do with the toothbrush well it's in the bedroom we'd have
a movie called object sessions and just slide my pants down or take my pants off sometimes it would be for a short period of time sometimes longer it's lay me on the bed ah they'd have a tube of Vaseline and he just played with me and was there some point in time when he decided to use something besides the toothbrush yes and did he try to annually penetrate you with something else he did and what was it hey Braden here cry yes did you bleed were you scared Barry did you ask him not to yes
how did you ask him not to I just told him I don't I don't laughs I'm sorry I'm sorry I just told him that I didn't want to do this and that it hurt me and he said that he didn't mean to hurt me he loved me was that important to you I love you yes very but I still didn't want to do it did you tell your mom [Applause] yes what did you say to your mom I told her to tell the head to leave me alone and he keeps touching me your mom say
she told me to stop it and that I was exaggerating and that my dad has to punish me when I do things wrong and she told me that he loved me did you ever tell anybody else when when did you ever tell anybody else when you were a child you heard Diane Vander Moen testify you remember telling her no you complained to your cousin Alan not about that just about punishment as a child did you ever tell anybody else what had happened with your dad I was a child no why not I was afraid and
my dad he didn't want me to what did he tell you about telling people just said that it was our secret that bad things would happen to me if I told anybody and I told him I never would how old were you when this stopped great so during the time between six and eight when this was going on did you tell your brother you do something to your brother yes what did you do to your brother I took him out to the woods whenever I felt I don't know I took him out sometimes and I
took a a toothbrush also and I played with Eric in the same way and I'm sorry foreign it stopped for you with your dad when you were eight when you were about 13 did you think that it might be happening to someone else yes and who did you think it was happening to Eric and did you do something about it yes what did you do you talk to my dad what'd you say to your dad I told him that I knew what was going on with him and Eric and I heard the noises and that
I wanted him to lay back alone
