Victor Marx: The Man Who Weaponized Faith. | Candace Ep 329

All right, ladies and gentlemen, get locked in. I have a good one for you. I told you about this yesterday. There's a lot to unpack and I think it could provide a lot of answers to some lingering questions that we have. I am very honored to welcome Corby Hall, the Candace Owens Show. >> Well, all righty then. >> That's how you do it. that if you don't take the glasses off then no one's going To no one's going to believe you. People >> need the glasses >> so that people know you mean business. >> Aren't

we waiting on somebody? >> No, we are not waiting on anybody. He's not coming. Victor does not want to sit across from you, which I thought Victor Marks it would be a good idea to have you all here because I can't contest anything he says. I am not the fold AR uh company and I did not have these conversations with him. Uh, but it's Okay because I'm actually happy to have just you. I do think that if he was here, he would dominate the conversation. Um, everything that I learned about Victor Marks, I learned against

my will. I want my audience I want to be very upfront about where I am at on this conversation, why I was so drawn to your story. Um, and why I believe they will be so drawn to your story. I think uh we are at a very interesting place in America where we Know we are being sort of abused by the media. Um we know that they're lying to us about everything. There's for me the world before Charlie Kirk died and the world after Charlie Kirk died and it seems like there's been an increase in

this sort of I don't know like tactic to uh make us think that we're the crazy ones when nothing is making sense. And when I read your story and learned about Victor Marx, there were so many themes that were coming up here. This idea of The pastor, this idea of you can't question this because the Lord has willed this. This is what we're all feeling right now, like faith has been used to manipulate the masses and actually to maybe cover up for evil. So, I want you to know that when we have this conversation, I

will interject and put my opinion. As always, it does not need to become your opinion. Feel free to say, Candace, I don't believe that. That sounds crazy. That could be a Conspiracy. Um or say, "I plead the fifth." You could just say that you want to stay mom. >> Yeah, sure. >> Um but I wanted to give you a chance because I know that Victor Marks has a following. You do not. And he has been instantly right out of the gate saying that you are a crazy person, which is one of their favorite tactics. Everybody

who disagrees with me is an insane person. So, who actually are you? Corby Hall. >> Well, I own a company called Fold AR. I've got the patent on the most compact uh AR-15 in the world. And our mission is school resource officers. And uh so it's it's been a long journey. This isn't something that just popped up overnight. You know, this has been a 20-year journey for me. and uh you know we we've done really well in the market place for for the size of the company and and um the amount of resources that Were

available to us. You know I just got back from Ice Off. So that was the big you know you've you've kind of made it. Um jumping over that bar was was uh exhilarating to say the least. And that special forces operators from around the world. I I got to shake hands with a lot of IDF and and uh all other kind of special forces came out and shot my weapon systems and loved it. So, it was an honor. You know, this is Old AR. The brand itself has been here since 2018. >> Okay. >> And

uh we're a small company out in the sticks, East Texas. And um just a few employees and we make a few thousand rifles a year. And uh yeah, it's uh you know, it's it's the most compact, but it's also a caliber swap. You know, push one pin, barrel system comes off, you can change your calibers, your barrel links, push the pin back in, and you're ready to go with another caliber. >> And we're we're not going to tell people Back at home how you just had to slowly explain to me the very basic functions of

a gun. We're not going to tell them that. >> No, let's not tell them. >> I knew everything. >> Yeah, he's knows it all. >> I know it all. So, I did just get a nice crash course. It It's a very interesting product. You could see um why you would have special forces interested in that product. And something that I think Jumped at my audience in general when it came to the fold AR was the idea of a pastor. I know now he says he's not a pastor, but his website certainly did say he was

a pastor at some point. Uh being interested in this product. So, I I'd just love to hear about how you met Victor Marx. Well, uh, late November of 23, my wife was showing me some of the Instagram post that he was making and he was demoing compact weapon systems and it Was like it was kind of framed around, you know, Victor is looking for the most versatile compact weapon system that's out there that um, and I don't think he announced it as he was looking for a signature series at the time, But uh nonetheless, she

had me message him and he responded right away and invited us up to his house in Colorado Springs. So we drove from East Texas to Colorado Springs on uh I think December the 1st and um >> what year? >> 23. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And so we got there and there was a there was quite a few people there. There was I think there was probably around 20 15 to 20 people there. some family, some friends, some security guys, >> and uh all really nice people. Everybody's really kind to us and uh we got to

meet all of them individually and Talk to all of them. Um, so we went into the Dojo house where it's like a karate mat and kind of wide open space and I was demonstrating it, you know, pulling it out of a backpack and deploying it and teaching some of the people that were there how to deploy it. >> This sounds like a pretty big property. >> It's not that big. Um I would say I would say like four to five acres maybe. >> Okay. So 5 acre property. Mhm. >> Okay. And but they're doing gun

demos just in a studio where he does DOA did you say? >> Yeah. Yeah. So just a studio area >> at first. >> Okay. >> And so we we did that for an hour and it was disc mostly discussion of course and so we're not deploying it and shooting it at that point. But um you know >> any other people that were just people Friends not in the industry whatsoever just like local friends of theirs. >> I don't know if they were all local. Um but nonetheless everybody treated it. Everybody was really nice. >> Okay.

So, um, after that portion of it, we went out to the gun range, which was, uh, just a 25 yard range that's that was at the back of the property, and it had like tender framing around it, and it's kind of dug into the ground. So they got to shoot right there and Deploy and and uh so everybody got their rounds and and we got pictures and uh my wife got to shoot the gun and with Victor and she was excited about that. Got some pictures and anyways I you know I kind of stay back

like I don't put myself in the middle of everything and so I show everybody what to do. Make sure everybody's safe. We got you've got uh security type former military people there. Everybody knows how to shoot a gun. And so I'm just kind of sitting Back at my vehicle which is parked at the back. And and uh Victor comes up to me. He's like first thing he said was you know not the first thing of the whole meeting but first first thing he said in this moment was you know I don't really meet too many

people that are at the pinnacle of their industry. And to me, I don't take overt compliments very well. Um, that was really the first time that anybody significant had said Anything like that to me cuz I'm still very small company, almost invisible in the industry, even though I'm well known in the in the industry, but in the general marketplace, kind of invisible. And so I When I heard that, I was like, "Okay, at least somebody gets it." Like, I'm not trying to get a badge of honor here. But that was that was nice to after

18 or 17 years of work at that point. >> Wow. And uh so he said, "Well, you know, I've got some signature series that I'm looking at with uh he named off a few different companies and you know, bigger companies." Like, "Yeah, but this one's the only one that makes sense." And for me, I already know what my weapon system is. So, validation doesn't really mean anything to me from other people, but um it was again a reaffirmation that somebody gets It. >> Mhm. And we had already had conversations, you know, back at the at

the DOA house, whatever you call that, um, about our mission with going on the backs of school resource officers and and, uh, well, it wasn't our mission at that point in time, but it was brought up as a topic and and we had sold quite a few to school resource officers, but again, it wasn't it wasn't so much, You know, our our mission wasn't established until we left the Marxes and I'll walk you through that. So, when we walked in, well, so we get done with the shooting at the range and we've already at this

point we've been there for like four or five hours. So they invite us into their house and it's uh it's getting dusk I suppose. Um, and you know, Victor opens the door and my wife goes in and as he's going In, he says, "You know, everybody has been talking and we've noticed too. Me and Eileen have noticed that, you know, you and your wife just have a like a unique connection that is unusual. Like you're finishing each other's sentences. you're talking to multiple people and like automatically know where the other one left off and you

fill in the gap and and the way you look at each other and you know it just that was Normal for us. Like we we're already 3 years into the relationship and we we had little thing where we called you know twin flames and and uh you know it was natural to us. And so we had this other thing, you know, 11-11 and not into all the angel numbers, but you know, that was our thing, our our unique connection. And, you know, he opens the door and he's and he's and he says, you know, I

feel the hand of God on y'all Or or God's favor. I feel God's favor on y'all. and y'all are about I I you know he's telling me that y'all are about to come into an abundance as we're walking into the house. And so, you know, having worked in on this for so long up to that point, there's been a lot of instances where people have told me like, "Oh, this is about to take off. You're about to make all this money and get all this attention so many times Over the years." And so that was

one of those moments where inside it didn't sit well with me hearing that. But on the outside it was like, okay, maybe this is it cuz he already understands. Like that's already clicked. So that started off the entry to the house. We go in, we sit down in the living room on the couch And um we're just having casual conversation and talking about the history of of what I've been through to make it this far and you know it's just getting deeper and deeper and you know they ask us about well first they're you know

this is when they make the comment about the connection. you know, we're sitting there on the couch, makes the comment about me and my wife's connection and says, "Well, aren't y'all married? Well, y'all, first it's are y'all believers?" Like, yeah, yeah, we are believers. You know, I got another coincidence. You know, I accepted Christ when I was 16 and so did she. And so answered that question and and then it was then it was why aren't y'all married? Like well I've been married a couple times before or two and and it just wasn't a priority.

You know we're we get along great and I don't want marriage to Ruin that, right? but what we're not thinking scripturally about it. And so this led into, you know, we're this is hours worth of conversation. And um you know, this led into the Victor explaining what a retooling prayer is. And I had never heard that term before. And I grew up in a church. Um, but I wasn't I wasn't heavily rooted in scripture at that point in time. You know, we're talking December 23. Um, so it didn't it didn't click with me That that

that was uh, you know, something to watch out for. >> I'm just, you know, I'm excited we're here. you know, this seems like it would it might be what I've been working for all this time and all the stress and the lawsuits and the marriages and and finally somebody understands. So, you know, hey, let's do a ritual in prayer. And and so he kind of explains it and and he's asking Eileen a lot of questions about the process. But to me it was like, well, why does he have to ask her how it goes, you

know, from component to component of how this ritual prayer goes? But again, I just let it slide and and so we agree and uh it was started off with with me and this this whole process I think lasted maybe 15 minutes each. When you say it started with me and you also used the word ritual, uh what do you mean by that? >> Um well, the retooling prayer, he was going to do it on me first. >> Okay. >> And then and then um >> so one by one and he's going to retool what? >>

A good question. >> Yeah. Okay. >> We'll figure that out then. >> Figure that out. >> Yeah. So, and of course I didn't memorize the Whole process, but recently I looked back on uh there was a podcast that they did in 21, him and Eileen, where it described the process. You know, I I kind of forgot what the process was after this thing, but I looked back recently and, you know, it all started coming back. I was like, "Oh, yeah, he did exactly that." >> And uh transcribed it out. It was a podcast, verbal podcast,

but had it transcribed out and got to look through It in detail, you know, piece by piece here just a few weeks ago, actually. And um so as I was reading through it, it was, "Oh yeah, he did that. He did that. He did that." And so the first part was an opening prayer. And I didn't memorize the whole opening prayer. It's like five or six sentences long, you know, 30 seconds worth of opening prayer and it's using name of Jesus and uh seemed seemed like a fairly straightforward prayer except And again I didn't notice

all this stuff back then but except the whole circle of judgment. So there's an opening prayer and he establishes a circle of judgment in the room >> and um there's some other components to it but >> and who who was in the circle of judgment? Sorry to >> It was it was just an imaginary bubble sphere so to so to speak. >> That was just the terminology was >> so he's kind of setting up this imaginary perimeter. >> Yeah. Around around the whole room like all of us. >> Okay. I mean within the circle no

one is judged or we will be doing some judging. That's what I mean. >> That's my question. >> Like you can tell me everything and no one's judging or like we are going to enter in some judgments. >> I think it was well looking back on on The transcript. >> Yeah. Which is helpful. >> It it's judgment on the assigned demons. >> Okay. So he's judging the demons that he assumes are in you, >> not in that's a >> yeah attached to >> attached to you. Okay, sorry. Yeah, correct anything. I'm I'm I've not been

>> communication with a person who's doing retooling prayer. So, >> right. So, here's the trick. Um, believers can't be possessed by demons. That's scripture. And so when you have believers come come to this quasi exorcism, you can't call it an exorcism. So you have to reframe everything. So possession now becomes assignment. >> Okay? >> So they're not in you, but they're attached to you. >> Okay? So in you that's scriptural. >> A non-believer possessed >> inside you. A believer can't be possessed inside but can be attached the outside. And so if you've engaged in if

you engage in a continuous sin like you have >> invited a demon to walk alongside you I suppose. >> Okay. Okay. I would have to consult a priest on that cuz I do think that there are definitely ways that you can get possessed by demons. Like there have Been people I I don't know for sure. So I'm I'm going to So but that helps me understand I guess the context of how this is happening. So he's saying there are demons that are attached to you. I'm going to do this tooling prayer. May I ask what

is his authority to do that prayer? >> Well um I don't know that answer and uh don't >> that's would be my first question. If someone's like I'm gonna like get these Demons that are attached to you off of me. I'd be like, "Oh, are you a priest? Are you an exorcist? Are you >> Did he say to you, "I am a >> a pastor?" >> A pastor. Okay. So, he's taken that since just so you know, publicly he's no longer a pastor, but he definitively did. We checked out on his website that he was

a pastor. >> Um, >> well, I think um I guess I won't represent this as something that I remember him saying, but I think he believes that he's anointed by God as some type of apostle. Okay. >> So, um in any case, so this attached assigned demon is going to get judged in this circle of judgment. And so he asked he asked the subject me, you know, I'm Going to I'm going to ask you a series of questions and you're just going to respond. >> Mhm. Whatever the first thing that comes to your head, just

just say it. Doesn't matter what it is. Don't think about it. Relax. Just say whatever the first thing that comes to your mind. And so he asked, he's commanding the demons at this point. And he asked, You know, what demon what is? Well, back up. He asked how many demons are assigned. and you just say a number. And so that's the instruction that he's given me. You know, I'm gonna ask how many demons are assigned to Corby. And I don't remember exa the number it was either two or three. And I just said the first

number that came out um came to mind. And then he asked the name of the first one. So he was going to Going to judge the first demon. He knows now I say a name and I said and this was this was recorded by the way and we were advised or suggested to record it. And so my wife did record and um so I said, "Oh, you're never going to believe what's popping in my head. I just I just think it's something I've seen in a movie or something. And Alen says, "Oh, well, you know

that just just say Whatever it is. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if it's they name off some whatever common names." And I said, "Well, visible." And Eileen says, "You know, that's actually pretty common." Like, "Oh, okay." Um so proceeding from there he names Victor names the demon by the name visible and um he commands angels to come down and grab This demon by the arms and make the demon kneel before him. So if you can imagine angels coming down, grabbing, forcing the demon to kneel before Victor. Just pausing here for dramatic effect because that is

how I'm I am envisioning that Victor Marx then believes that he has the capability not just to command demons but to command angels. And that's what he's telling you. He He can >> Wow. That is Sorry for interrupting, but that is just that's the statement right there. >> Yeah. >> And also to be clear, I hadn't realized this. I thought when you said you guys went one by one that maybe Eileen's in another room, but you guys were all in the room together. This is a Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And she and Eileen is

is still kind of reminding him of the of the Steps. He knows what to say, but you know, it's just like, "Oh, no. You do this step first." And then he'd be like, "Oh, yeah." >> And which angel did he say? >> Didn't say. I don't remember him saying the names of the angels. Okay. >> Um, again, all recorded, so it'd be interesting to >> figure out which angel he believes he's commanding. Yeah. So, >> this is just, you know, this is a scary story to me. Like, I am like I don't even watch scary

movies. So, like I it's like a movie right now in my head that I'm like I'm walking out of the theater right now. I'm just going like, okay. Like, I'm going to be honest with you. This is this is terrifying to me. like a a man that Yeah, that is that is something. >> But this is the guy who understands me >> and understands what I've been through And sees the value in what I'm doing. >> Mhm. >> They always come as your friends. >> Sorry, Charlie. >> Yeah, they always come as your friends. So

this demon being held by two angels, he makes some commands. I don't remember what he said, but he commanded one of the angels to cut the arm off the demon. And then I I think commanded the other angel to cut off the other arm or a leg Or something dismemberment of the demon. And um I you know I did you know I did skip I did skip a portion. So before that yes before all of that dramatic stuff there was another set of questions that was asked. So after the demon's name, the next question that

was asked was, "What are the three lies that you've been telling Corby?" And so this is where I started to get in kind of a trance-like state and I was staring straight at Victor and I wasn't blinking my eyes. They're kind of watering up and uh stopped breathing not as a panic but just I noticed that I just wasn't breathing for for a few seconds. And so again, first thing that pops into your head and I said you're a fraud. And then what's the second lie that You're telling Corby and said your kids don't love

you. And the third lie, he'll never love you. So that was uh the three lies. First things that popped in my head and uh so then after that set of questions was what is the one truth that God's trying to tell Corby that you're blocking from Him hearing? And of course, it's you're not a fraud. Your kids do love you and she's sitting right there next to you and she's not going to leave you. So then the dramatics with the chopping the thing, the arms and the legs off and casting away and then onto the

next demon. What's the next demon's name? And then the whole process started over. And each in each process is he chopping off the arm of the demon. >> Okay. Hindsight is 2020. >> Yeah. >> Right. Also not I I have the honor of sitting in this chair and I can like hear what's happening with what I just know about psychology and stuff and he you are telling him your deepest fears. That's it. Like there's nothing happening other than we're all self-conscious. We constantly in our head are are saying things. says, "Oh, This is not right."

You know, we're we in our normal capacity, we're our own worst critics, and he's just commanded that out of you, and now now he knows your weak spots. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Now, he knows he and and you at the end of that, because you're you're doing this and these people are strangers, um you've instantly established an emotional connection with these people Because you shared with them something that you would not just share to a person that you met, >> right? So he is um I would almost say he's uh he's trained in that. I

don't think it he's uh being trained by a church in that. I'll tell you that. >> Right. Oh, I I know now. >> Because in just how the emotion of hearing that like and I instantly know this is like these are Your deepest fears. That's it. Like we all have them. And you're talking about your kids. You're talking about does this woman love me? like I'm going into I think you said this is your third relationship, right? That's going to obviously be a fear. Um and he just now he's got the key. >> Maybe he

was summoning demons. Maybe there was somebody in there that might have been uh a little possessed or attached. I don't I don't think it was You, but that's my opinion. It's my podcast. I can say my opinion whatever I want. can >> I can >> I am >> so um you know there was one more the the next name was Thomas and I don't remember what the the answers you know the three lies um or the answers were for that one but then the thing about it was it was like a compounding effect. So Every

time, this is where it got really interesting. Every time you would get done with a demon, he would re ask the question of now, how many demons now, you know, each time? And so after that second one, Thomas, I said zero. We're done. Um, no matter what number popped into my head, it was zero. Uh, so it was getting kind of weird at that point. I wanted it over with, but Uh, moved on to my wife and I'll just leave that one alone. But, um, >> same process, same thing. >> Yeah. >> And what happened

after? >> Well, I remember him saying that doing this practice like drains his energy. like he gets real worn out and almost like he's Using up energy in this process and I remember that being something that stuck out. Um but after this whole process, so him and Eileen leave the room and you know, we've we've talked about my my brief story. You know, I I dove deeper than I ever have with anybody else already. Mhm. >> But they left the room and came back and told me about a dream or vision. And I Don't remember

which one it was, but it was a dream or a vision that Eileen had the night before. And they were both telling the story kind of him telling a piece and then her telling the piece. And it was that Eileen had had this dream or vision that um this was going to be related to a mission to protect kids and that it's, you know, just so coincidental. Well, not co coincidental At all, but God ordained that we met and that I'm bringing this rifle that is the best tool for the job on the backs of

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are so many connecting themes here with just everything that I've been discussing on my podcast. Obviously, just investigating this Charlie Kirk story And that brings me back to this obvious relationship Eileen has with Erica. And this is very similar. You know, I was there when Charlie and her met and it's this, you know, godly. It's all everything is godly. It's all about this is what God wants. And this is like, you know, and how easily Charlie fell for that and believed that, okay, yeah, this this woman is just so so godly. And uh speaking to

her exes, As I did, and one of them telling me that she would say she had like a vision or a dream of someone that he was close to after he had opened up that this person was close to him in his life, particularly this ex-boyfriend was speaking about his grandfather. And then she'd say that, "Oh, your grandfather visited me in a dream." So, it's again establishing that connection. There's there's a pattern here that I'm recognizing and I think it's like I said Been one of the major connecting themes and just kind of looking into

the story of sort of what changed at Turning Point USA and the direction that it went into. Um, I don't want to get ahead of myself there. Um, so you've done this, you've established this connection, you do believe to some degree that it must be godly. You've now handed them the keys to your deepest insecurities, right, about yourself. And I'm sure it felt in equal parts like Cathartic, right, getting that out. You don't seem like the kind of person who runs up and talks a lot to people and says, "Hey, let me tell you my

deepest, darkest secrets, >> right?" Um, >> I'm pretty open to people that I feel see me. >> Um, but in general, no, I'm pretty standoffish. >> Right. So, now the four of you are, you know, in this God vision, >> right, >> together. I'm obviously saying that tongue and cheek. What happens next? >> So, we go home. Uh, well, you know, I believe we had a hotel that we were staying in, but we left the next day. And, um, so this was again early December. So, I get to work on the signature Series, the Victor

Marks signature series. We run through a bunch of ideas on color schemes and features. You know, what is suppressor, what backpack, you know, all these how how is this rifle going to be presented? It's got to be nice. And so we we came up with something and it it was it was a pretty cool rifle. But um I had it ready for Shot Show. The Shot Show is the largest gun show in the in the country, probably the world, but In the country annual. It happens in Vegas every year and um sometimes late January, I

think. Sometimes it happened in some years it happens late February, but this year, this year of 24 in January, it it happened in yeah, late January. So, we're communicating back and forth and you know this the color scheme and all the accessories have been picked and we built a few units to be able to present be able to give him a couple at the show And um you know he had his FFL to federal firearms license and so we transferred a couple to him at the show and had a few for um for our display

in our booth. And uh yeah, well, backing up just a little bit, I I asked him well, I told him that uh you know, I'm I'm going to ask my then girlfriend to to marry me and uh in text before the show, like what maybe 5 days before the show And uh can't remember if he pro offered it or or if I asked him. I think I asked him, you know, hey, you going to be there, your pastor, you know, we let's let's get married. 30 minute ceremony, we'll be in and out quick. He's like,

oh yeah, yeah, we'll do that. And uh so I had gotten a ring and it actually it had traveled through five different Four different continents and arrived at our Airbnb in Vegas uh the the night of the or the day the day of the wedding and uh I was just dressed in like jeans and my work boots and just a button-up shirt and she had a had a pretty treat cheap easy dress that she got looked it looked beautiful but uh we we just like this was a rush job and I actually hadn't even asked

her to marry me Like oops wait so the day of the day of I asked her we were just walking down the hallway and uh by you know by the way she was my CEO of the company and she had been working there for at least 2 years by that point in time and just bang up job like she's she's good and um so anyways asked her to marry me that day we go up to Victor's hotel room we have some of our industry friends attend with us and they got video and pictures And it

was super special for her because she just adored Victor and had followed him for many years and the the ceremony was perfect and simple and just it was it was nice. So, try not to get too sentimental here, but um you know, we we read each other's vows to each other. Victor was there. He officiated it. We had our marriage certificate that we ran into the Courthouse and grabbed real quick and you know we got a picture of him signing it with us sitting down behind him and we once we got the photo op we

walked to the other side of the room and just mingling with our friends and looking over and he's talking to Eileen and already know what's going on like he's not certified to do this in Nevada. I already know it. And so, and so they're just talking it Back and forth and he's like trying to decide if he's going to sign it or not. And so I'm like, "Hey, is it just because we're in Nevada?" He's like, "Yeah, I don't I don't have license here because there's a block on the form where you're going to put

your license number." >> And I was like, "Well, just it's fine. Just sign it. We'll go, you know, we'll go back to Texas and just do our county county deal after this, but we'll We'll keep this. Doesn't need a doesn't need a license on. We're not going to file it here anyways. So, no big deal, right?" um red flag. But >> does he have a license even in Colorado? >> I don't know. I don't know. So that was that was that. And um got done with shot show. It was a great event. Got a lot

of videos, pictures. Everybody was shaking hands and meeting Victor and meeting us. And it was a it Was a very nice shot show. And normally I hate going to I've been to Shot Show every since 2012. Hadn't missed a year and just absolutely hated it. Just all the walking and hauling stuff around and having to be here and there and unpacking stuff and the logistics is just nightmare. But >> this one was pretty memorable. >> This was this was nice. >> So things are are looking good. >> Mhm. What is when is the first time

I Guess you guys had any sort of a shift in that narrative? Like a just we're all on the same page. Here's what we're trying to do. Here's what our goal is. We've got your signature series. Good-looking gun. You're getting us married. When's the first time you had a hiccup? >> Well, I guess uh I'll get there. So I'll just So >> yeah, take me wherever you want. Don't You know we could I want to get the full story. He went on well, we had an opportunity pop up and I I believe it was I

believe it was March or Aprilish and Sebastian Gorka um had me on once and um you know me and him had talked quite a few times and and text message based and um he he Loved the gun, right? He's a gun guy. And so me and him kind of connected and and uh he said, "Okay, well, I'll see you guys signature series. Victor, been trying to get him on my show forever and you know, let's let's talk about this cool mission and let's get y'all on." So, I did not want to go on. Um I

didn't want to be on video, can't you tell? And uh then I texted Victor. Hey Victor, Sebastian wants you to get on with him And talk about the full AR. You've been trying to get you out. You've been bugging me. Like just go on with the dude. My wife will be there to to support you through this. And Victor's like, "Yeah, I do this all the time. It ain't no problem." And tell us the genesis before we talk about Victor and the very exciting plans you have for this weapon. What is the genesis? How did

you get this idea? Uh so our our inventor uh Corby he's my Husband also but he uh came out with the product about seven years ago and um he came out with it because he was looking for a way to get the AR to be more compact and uh decided to take the barrel nut off and then when he figured that out he figured that you could also fold it and after a lot of testing and and a couple years of development you know he made this a possibility What is your mission now, Victor? >>

Well, I'll tell you, everyone knows that Time in a critical life and death situation makes the biggest difference. And this weapon platform, not only being an outstanding um high-end platform to shoot, it is absolutely the best product in order to engage a hostile threat in a school, bar none. Uh and again with it being carried in a backpack uh it keeps the level of anxiety down for students to watch. So we know this is a lifesaver and what we want to do is to be able to see every Resource officer uh first starting in the

state of Texas uh have one of these and then it's spreading throughout the United States so that our children will be made safe. >> So Victor goes on and they talk about the fold they are a little bit. I I think Sebastian asked her, you know, how did I think your lesser half, he's the inventor and you know, tell us how you came up with it and she spit off some stuff. It was good. But um then Victor Came in and was talking about the all things possible mission and said that um you know we're

going to make it a mission to get one of these full ARs on the back of every SRO in the nation starting with Texas. I was kind of oh I didn't think he was going to say that but yeah let's do this. And uh that idea was to set up a 501c3 and figure out how to get donations coming in for schools, particularly rural schools that don't have immediate Access to SWAT teams or uh or funding and and let's get these get these moving. So that happened and it wasn't too long before we had a

school that needed five and didn't have the budget for it. It was local to us. And uh we built them up and we talked to Victor about it to get that funded and there was kind of some push back and you know I got to run this through the ATP board. They didn't know that I was going to do that and they're Kind of worry about the whole gun thing and I'm going, "Okay." Um, you do what you got to do, but I got five. >> Mhm. And it's and it's like I think it was

either $13,000 or $15,000 and you know the suppressors and backpack and like optics and all the stuff on it that they need to just train and get ready and and go go deploy them. And so He he eventually did, you know, we we paid for them to build them up front. And uh you know, we're not making a lot of guns every year anyway, so funding that out of pocket is kind of a hit, but we did it. And um he he did send a check to us and uh we got the guns to to

the high school or the ISD and they loved them. We got some photo ops. Victor didn't come for that, but we really wanted him to. And so that was we delivered those in in the summer of 24. And um that was the only that was the only one that Victor ATP purchased. And my wife had created this fairly long list of schools and they would fill out a template. You know, we want the guns, we will use them, and we don't have a budget for them andor we're located in a in a area Where there's

not a quick access to first responders. >> Mhm. And if they checked the boxes off and put it on their letter head and you know we would take it in and and have it ready for ATP and um yeah just never after summer of 24 there was no attempts for for >> school resource officers. >> Yeah. >> In that context. Yeah. >> Right. But there were requests for other guns. And so so moving forward into into August, y'all jump to August. Let's get into it. H. >> So, Victor messages me, says, "Hey, I need a

thousand yard capable um rifle that has a scope on it and a camera attached to the scope." Like, okay, I I can put that together. I actually already have the components. I don't have to buy anything. and he needs me to deliver it to him pretty quickly and says it's he tells me that it's for Well, let let's just hold up there then. So, I build this thing out. It's got a proof research barrel on it. is a carbon fiber Precision barrel. It's like $1,100 barrel uh and 223 16in barrel with I had like a

$5,000 scope on it. Had had it for a while. So, I was just like, you know, he he'll make better use of it than me. >> You're just going to give him a $5,000 scope? >> Yeah. >> Okay. and with a camera attached to it. Like I literally had this already set up, >> but I wasn't using I hadn't used it in a while. So I take it up to Victor and um the conversation is we want I want to and this is with me and him privately. You know that's where you know the the

meat of the conversations always come in. He wants to blow the head off of somebody that sticks their head up over the fence around this orphanage in Haiti. And they have a tower in the middle of it. Like some kind of watchtowwer because apparently there >> of the orphanage. >> Yeah. Of the orphanage. >> Okay. And you know, he's saying that people are jumping over the fence, climbing over and trying to rob or or whatever the orphanage. And so, you know, tell them, "Yeah, I'm not going to leave it here if that's what you're doing."

And you know, we we had a conversation before about shooting watermelons, a previous conversation about shooting watermelons at 1,000 yards. But when I got there, you know, the conversation shifted. Now we're in person. And he wants to talk about Shooting people. >> Shooting people. Yeah. And I just want to back this up. When he's initially, because we do have that message and we're going to show that message when you guys were initially having that conversation about shooting watermelons, like did you think he was talking about watermelons or do you think it could be code cuz

you kind of know him a little bit now? Look, he's like, "Hey, I'm just wondering if we could or were you Thinking like, no, he just really means like if we were to test it with the watermelon, like what was your thought process when you were first having the conversation via text about shooting watermelons from 1,000 yards? Did you did you think that there might have been some innuendo reading between the lines? You thought he was shooting straight because he had never made a weird request before this. So you were like he just wants to

know if Okay. So then You're like >> he says let's have this conversation face to face. And when you say you meet up this is in Colorado. >> Yes. >> Okay. So that is does he have a place in Texas or are we always Colorado? >> Uh yeah we always met in Colorado at his house >> and just to get our timeline right. This is August of 2024. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Mhm. So now you're face to face and he's like actually there's this orphanage and people are climbing over this fence in the orphanage

and there's happens to be a tower in the middle and we just want to shoot these people. We want to protect this or orphanage. >> Yeah, >> because what are they doing at this orphanage? Presumably stealing orphans, trafficking children. >> I don't know. >> He didn't say that explicitly. Okay, >> fair enough. >> So I say, you know, I'm not going to leave this. This that's not what my rifle is for. I mean for military guy I will sell my rifles to military law enforcement and it's assumed that they may shoot people with them >>

right but in this context of a >> mercenary type >> operation >> that doesn't have oversight no um >> and did you wonder why he was doing that at all cuz I mean I'm just he's a pastor he's doing a rout like I I have a priest if my priest was suddenly like hey Candace can I have some guns to go shoot an orphanage on mercenary mission. I'd be like, "Oh, this is a new side of you. Is he telling you like you've met armed forces guy at his property?" Like, what is your are you

shocked at even the proposition of him doing this or does he Kind of speak this way and tell you that he's connected and whatever? Like, how are you processing that request? Well, um I just simply said, "Yeah, I'm just not going to leave it here." >> You're not processing it. Just >> I'm not I'm not processing it. I'm just again I'm happy that I'm there in person now. We can talk about like I got this list of schools that are Ready for guns. Um and you know there's that that bond has been established. Mhm. >>

He is my author, you know, spiritual authority figure. >> I'm not to question, >> I am to do. >> And I was there to deliver. >> So, but you know, I told him, you know, well, why don't you just like we were talking about, eat the watermelon. Just do the watermelon. Like, oh, oh, okay. Well, like and and backing up. So, shooting the head off of a person transpired into Well, I'm going to go in and execute or capture Jimmy Barbecue. >> Okay. >> And the first time I've ever heard of this guy. I don't

know who he is. I'm still like, "Yeah, no." Uh, again, back to the watermelons. He's like, "Yeah, you just I said just put the watermelon Up on the fence. Shoot it. Get your propaganda video." That's what the whole thing was about was shooting somebody climbing over. Got it on camera. We can distribute it out in the Haiti land and they won't jump over anymore. Like, like I see the good intention behind it, but yeah. No. And then, you know, transition transitioned into a little bit more detail like maybe maybe if I tell him that it's

to kill Jimmy Barbcue who is causing all the Ruckus in Haiti anyways, then then he'll agree. >> Okay. So, I do want to just take the second now to just show a brief clip to my audience of the media context of who Jimmy Barbecue is. Some people do know do not follow politics, global politics and what we were told Jimmy barbecue is and was during this time frame August 2024. Take a listen. >> Jimmy Charizia, universally referred to Here as Barbecue, is the head of one of the most powerful gangs in Porto Prince. But he's

also the head of a gang consortium that's brought Haiti to its knees. Barbecue sees himself as a revolutionary for the people and he rails against corrupt politicians and oligarchs. He dismisses all the efforts underway here to form a transitional council that will govern Haiti. Inside his territory, despite the poverty, life is relatively Peaceful and organized. Unlike in much of Porto Prince, cues for food barbecue gets brought in are orderly. Usually, it's chaos. But here, people wait knowing that there are enough supplies for the whole community. And this is a source of barbecue strength. To the

outside world, he may be a gangster, but here he's a sort of Robin Hood. >> Okay. So, he's saying to you, I'm going to get this guy. I'm going to capture or I'm going to kill. You say, "Not with my weapon, actually." And let's talk about school resource officers. What happens next? Well, you know, right after the Jimmy barbecue, that's when I brought it back to the watermelons and he seemed to agree um kind of reluctant annoy in an annoyed manner like why are you questioning me? >> Maybe he was testing me. I don't know.

I don't know what his intentions were. I Just know what was said to me. So, I didn't have a concern at that point though because he's like, "Yeah, we we'll do the we could do the watermelon." No, it's not a bad idea. And so, uh, from there, I I left the gun with him. And um you know there was no discussion about schools or maybe maybe there was and it was just kind of like just nothing was yeah we're still on board with the mission but you know I'm Dealing with this and that and I

got this mission coming up and just never you know never went anywhere. So yeah, we we left and um then there was a I know there was another you know I skipped over a meeting I went in June. >> Mhm. >> That the June meeting is the one I don't really remember what I did. I know I went alone. Um but I don't remember. I didn't Deliver anything as far as I remember, but um you know there was a June trip that I made and the August one I do remember specifically uh there was text

messages surrounding it that that I was able to reference against. Um so then in November then he comes to Texas to my facility and um so the intent is that we're going to um tour the shop. He had a he had a Couple fly him down on their private plane and I picked them up from the airport and we went to the shop and tooured the shop and um you know during that tour pretty early on you know he was there for probably four fourish hours and um you know when we at when we got

alone on the shop floor in between the machines, he's like, "Hey, you know, I I still I Still got this Haiti stuff going on and I need 50 guns uh to take and drop off in Haiti." And I said, "Well, you know, that that's a embargo country. So I I mean I've exported guns by this point to many different countries and I know the process and it's not easy every time anytime really. And I just knew that Haiti wasn't on that list on the approved export list. So, I was like, "No, I I can't do

that one because Like Haiti is like the last place they're going to let me export guns." Probably the last place. And so, I said, you know, I suggest you don't do that with any other firearms either. Just I'm assuming that he just doesn't know the export laws. >> Why am I assuming this? I don't know. But he's a high-risisk humanitarian abroad. He's been to all these other countries, done operations in hindsight 2020. Of course, he knew that you can't Take guns and drop them off into Haiti. >> Um, did you, and I'm sorry to cut

you off here, but I have a question about that. The other countries he had visited, did he ever give you again the context? Because I'm just going in my own point of reference. My priest was like, "Yeah, and I did these high-risk humanitarian things. What's your background? How are you getting on these missions? Who are you working for? Did he ever give you that Context or just Okay. So, that might have been why I didn't really flag you that he was going to Haiti because it was kind of a part of something that you knew

he had done or he says he has done in many other countries. >> Yeah. And then, you know, there was already the visit before that there was Haiti discussions and told me about the orphanage, told me about Demi Barbecue and the >> um you know, the gang violence that was Around. So, I kind of knew the context already. It's just like, okay, well, you're I've already told you no once and then you're bringing me something that's even cuz you can I suppose if you have whatever license or approval, State Department or whatever kind of approval

it is where you can go as a private citizen with your own gun And and get out, do your saying and keep your gun on you. I suppose that that's a legal thing. I I would have to research that, but it seems to be that that's a thing that is done commonly. >> Um but leaving guns, I know that's you can't do that. Not na. >> Yeah, I think that's called weapons trafficking, but I'm not positive. >> Yep. So, told him no. uh told him, you know, don't don't be going to some other manufacturer and

getting 50 and I'm Trying to look out for you, pops, listen to me. Um, so I also told them that um, you know, if you if you place an order for 50 guns with my wife next week, I'm not can't sell you the guns cuz I already know now. So like, let's not talk about this anymore. Like, okay, I'll figure it out. What did he say he wanted to do with the like who was he dropping those guns off for? He >> didn't tell me that. >> Okay. >> All I All I was told it

was for protection of the orphanet. >> And you don't know what they're protecting? >> I don't I don't know any details about it other than I was told it was a 200 acre property. I don't know if that's true or not. Mhm. >> I was told that there is a tower in the middle of it and a a pretty tall fence Around the perimeter of it. >> Okay. >> Wasn't told how many kids are there or who mans it. >> Mhm. >> Um yeah, just other than them needing a long range to make a propaganda

video and then the 50 to do I'm not sure. Okay. >> What happens next? Well, that's not the most dramatic Um or juicy portion of the story, but >> mind me because I'm I'm taking some notes on what you're saying, so I do have some questions I'm going to want to come back to, but go ahead. >> Yeah, no problem. Um, so there was not another meeting until the final meeting which was in um early April. >> Okay. >> And so the context around this meeting was multifaceted. >> Are we in Colorado? >> Yeah, in

Colorado. and I would drive up there again and it was by myself. The context around this meeting was like I said multifaceted. It was issues between me and my spouse. It was we were talking about biblical things Um relationship. I mean, he was he was mentoring me, what I viewed to be mentoring at the time, you know, during this whole relationship. And things were starting to pile up and in April, you know, so Trump got elected in November of 24 and um in the gun industry, we have what's called the Trump slump. Anytime a Republican

is elected, then the demand for firearms goes down. So things get pretty tough. You have to pivot as a as a manufacturer to survive in that environment. And we didn't have the resources to pivot. >> And it was it was getting tough. Um yeah, actually I I forget, you know, we went to Shot Show again in January of 25. >> Mhm. And uh that that could have possibly been a February year, but I believe it Was January 25. And you know, so it's our anniversary. You know, it it was pretty rough cuz uh sales were

already going down. And um and just to be just to be honest, I was I was struggling with um substance abuse with with THC, >> smoking pot. >> Uh gummies or vapes? >> Okay. >> Yep. >> How often? Like just like kind of living high like >> No. Uh well, yeah, daily. But >> yeah, gummies. Popping gummies and >> Okay. Any other stronger substances? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Are you drinking too? >> No, not drinking. >> Okay. So, you're THC? >> Yeah. That's, you know, I'd done that since 2020. >> Mhm. I think you

sent me a thing and like you and your wife both smoked pot. Like you were both THC users, so to speak. I guess we'll focus more on you, but I'm just saying that like this was something that was already known to the Markx family. I think Oh, yeah. That's what I'm asking morely. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And uh you know, anxiety issues With the past. I didn't want to get on any SS SSRI or anything like that again. and and weed as long as I moderated it. It was it was uh it was a it

was a pretty good um regulator of anxiety for me so long as I didn't go overboard with it. But it became, you know, one of those dependency things. You just got to have a little bit more, a little bit more, and then you get kind of dependent on it. And um But now I had needed to pivot you know 2024 the end of 2024 uh early 2025 we needed to pivot and I wasn't able to do it like I was functionally decline and you know they weren't the ATP thing wasn't helping >> you know the

signature series we did sell some of them but it wasn't you know, it wasn't um just like skyrocketing business or anything. >> So, you now got the added like financial Pressure, which is what causes >> Yeah. Yeah. Y >> Mhm. >> And so, and interestingly enough, with my wife's involvement, the prior 3 years, we made the Inc. 5000 list in 25. Although like it was just we got the notice in she had worked so hard on it and uh you know with her in the CEO P position we had increased our revenue by 350%. >>

Wow. >> In the prior 3 years. So he earned608 position in the country and 60th fastest manufacturer and first in the region fastest growing company in the region while we're like oh man we're we're tanking fast. >> How are we going to keep the lights on? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um, yes, this is all this is all building up on me and and I'm again Going back to Victor for and and one of his guys, Chaz, for any kind of support, you know, more so like help me figure out number one, I'm

ready to get off of THC because I got to make this pivot and I've got to like bring my high functioning self back. >> Mhm. >> And there wasn't there wasn't any help there. You know, maybe a couple nudges Here and there, but uh you know, and there's a there's a text message history that I've gone through recently, and it it makes sense now. Every all of it makes sense. But >> a text message chain between you and Victor >> and Chaz >> and Chaz who is just so my audience is aware Chaz is the

his COO >> COO >> Victor marks the COO of all things possible. >> Right. Right. >> Okay. >> And what is it about that text chain that makes sense? Cuz I I you've mentioned it so I think we want to >> like in retro hindsight is 2020 but what what element makes sense? Like you're looking at this message you're going aha what? Well, there was a point in there and I Don't remember which month it was, but um you know there I was in a suicide crisis >> for a moment and you know my message

to the Victor was hey I'm I'm in the parking lot of Walmart and you know I had bought this life insurance policy like seven years prior and I shopped around for one that had a suicide allowance in it Uh for that specific reason. >> Mhm. >> And um and I knew, you know, I was sitting in that parking lot. I was crying and and uh said, "God's telling me that if I do this, he's not going to take me." So, you know, Victor's response is, "Well, of course, don't do that. You know, the lawyers, they'll

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are going to be so many men watching this that can relate to that. Um, and so when you kind of keep that inside and like I'm sure Like I feel ashamed, you know, like all that stuff. It's this is I feel like why he was able to manipulate you and why he's so like well he's got mental health issues and first off knowing that this man is supposed to be your spiritual spiritual director. Like mine's obviously my priest in London. I couldn't imagine my priests going on an Instagram live no matter what happens like you

know if I leave the Catholic church and and I become the edye of the Catholic church there is something that is so violating about him coming out and saying like my like you're you're actually going to who you're supposed to go to right and obviously you're you're Protestant so you're thinking this guy is telling me he's a pastor he married me like this is the person when I am thinking I want to kill myself that I should be able to lock this into a box and he's going to talk me through this And remind me

that financial pressure comes and goes like I remember being having $9 in my bank account and like sleeping in my car the feeling of that financial anxiety and what that can do it can be so crippling >> and he's just using that against you >> and with knowledge that that I was on THC I was very open about it and >> and asking for help >> for help. >> Um, >> so this becomes sort of this entry point of how he's just on the radio right now like, well, he's got mental health issues and well,

you know, try being broke and trying to figure everything out and I think everybody develops a little bit of a mental health issue, >> right? >> So, I just wanted to just give you >> to know that that's not something that you he shouldn't have made you feel about that the way he made you feel About it. >> I guess in his mind he was joking, but looking back at the total totality of circumstances. There was it was something else going on there. And um >> he didn't call you. I mean, I would just think

that like if somebody texted me and said, "Hey, I'm in a parking lot and like I'm thinking about killing myself." My instinct would be to call. >> Yeah. >> Not send a text. And and you know I just just go to say though that you know I was being told that you you can't do this because God won't take you. So, I'm telling him at the same time, these are thoughts going through my head, but I'm not going to do it because, you know, it's not it's not going to work out well for me, if

you know what I mean. Um, But yeah, the response was he he didn't call and the response was looking back on it, it was manipulative. Uh now for the record after having studied scripture as much as I have since this time period forward um I'm not suicidal. Put that on the record. And I will not kill myself and I'm I'm not having suicidal thought. So clear That >> you were having a low moment. >> Yep. Yeah. >> And looking for a friend or a spiritual director. >> Yeah. >> A lot going on, you know, >>

and and I'm off substances, you know. I I was able to I did get off a month before. So, in February, I stopped THC in February of 25. >> Mhm. >> That's a year and a few months ago. And um it took a while to to detox from that. But yeah, it I returned to my normal high functioning self. >> I would say it took probably 9 months to fully come back. So, skipping over a bunch of of time there, you know, there was um there was a visit coming up in April, you know, so

this was still compounding, Got rid of the THC in Februaryish, but withdrawals are starting up leading up to April. And um I'm still, you know, I'm having issues during this withdrawal cycle. And I tell Victor that, >> you know, I'm I'm separating from my wife. >> Financial issues, marital issues kind of tends to be tends to go hand in hand. I think it's the number one reason for divorce. >> Yeah. Yeah, it is. At least in my experience. But >> you've got a little bit of experience. >> Got a little bit. So, so he says,

you know, I'll fly you up here. Um, and you know, I don't I don't fly up there. Won't don't fly uh very much at all. So I I drove up there and um you know when When I arrive and I guess let me fill in the the gap here. So again, spiritual mentor relationship. Um at this point I'm off THC. I'm in the Bible just studying the heck out of it. At the same time, I'm supposed to be pivoting my business to figure out how to survive in this new market. And um a lot going

on. And as I'm doing more research in the Bible, I'm also um seeing things that don't look right. And so, and I'm particularly interested in at this time in deceptive Christianity. And so I come across some what I consider to be false spiritual leaders in the in the Christian quote unquote movement. And I'm telling Victor about what I'm finding. And uh you know he wants me to talk to Chaz about those things. So I'm talking to Chaz too and and sending them what I'm finding. And to them, I look like I'm kind of in a

panic mode of of discovery. And they're not really responsive, but they're just in their mind they're like, "Okay, Corby's going through all this stress and he's talking about separating from his wife and he's coming off a THC and, you know, we'll we just need him here." And so, you know, I get there, Colorado Springs, show up at the hotel and pretty late at night and um they meet me at the hotel and we sit down at the at one of the dining tables and uh I noticed they got bulletproof vests on and once we sat

down like tapped on Victor's chest where it was And he's like, "Yeah, we just got these in and I'm breaking them in." I was like, "Oh, Cool. It's like it's flexible." And he like kind of shakes it around. He's like, "Yeah, this thing is a little bit stiff right now, but you know, it's it's a really nice vest." Like, okay. Not thinking anything. Like, I'm not thinking, "Well, we'll get there, I guess. So they can tell I'm just like worn out. I'm drained. And um they Victor says, "Well, you Know, it kind of tells me

what what we're going to do the next day and says that we're going to do another retooling prayer." And I said, "I was respectful." And I looked at I was like, "No, not doing another retooling prayer." Like, I've I've figured out how to get rid of my own sin. And so, if I was to just keep coming back to you for Deliverance, then that would be me making an idol of you, and that would be worshiping you. And I could see the grin on his face like he was annoyed, but it was concealed enough that

he just he brushed it off. Didn't snap back or anything. Didn't didn't say any kind of snarky comment back and he just took it. And um so then he was telling me about what They were doing that day and it was some kind of big event. I didn't look it up, but what I heard was there was 3,500 men there and they had it was kind of like um some kind of spiritual manly machoess of of learning how to be warriors for Christ or warriors for God or something like that and >> men's retreat. >>

Yeah. Yeah. Were they all veterans? Do you know? >> I'm not sure. I was >> Yeah, I'm not sure. But um nonetheless, he told me about a board meeting. Well, he was he was talking to Chaz really, but you know, sitting right there. And uh he he told me about some of the people that were in this board meeting. Perhaps it was like part all in and part in person, but he was telling me some of the people that were part of this. And the name that come up was Lance Wall now And uh Rex

Crane. And you know, those are two people that I had already seen >> and discovered that they were part of this prosperity gospel um ultra charismatic type movement. >> NARS >> NARS >> new apostolic reformation. It's come up in my research about >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So again, I'm thinking, you know, hey, I'm going to do this dude a favor and kind of point these things out to him, these, you know, the doctrine that these people are preaching, like I'm doing Victor a favor. And so I'm at the hotel. I'm at I'm in my

room at that point. Chaz is down down The hallway from me. And uh you know, I'm sending Chaz all this stuff. Chaz, look at this guy. Look what he's teaching. Seven Mountain Mandate. Like what? We are not here to to make the world suitable for Jesus Christ to return. Like that that's not how it goes. Um taking over pillars of society. Are you kidding me? like what are y'all doing in organizations with these people? And um so basically no responses. >> Yeah. >> You kicked you kicked the hornets with that one. >> Kicked it >>

real good. >> Yeah, I did. >> Little did you know. >> Little very little. So I go to Victor's the next day. Okay, I'm not doing any retooling prayer. Um, so we're going to basically do a detox regiment and um walk around his track and you know talk about all the things that I've been wanting to talk about and he wasn't really wanting to hear any of it. So you know we would just kind of shift from subject to subject. We would talk about end times prophecy and we'd talk about um marriage. Um and it's

not to say that all of that Advice that he gave me was bad. It wasn't. And it was it was a mixture. It was a mixture of good advice and like what are you thinking? Like we're still talking about guns to Haiti. You brought it up again. >> No, I was just being facicious, but it was it was like that. It was >> it was always, okay, what's my next mission? you know, when can we get some more guns Or well, the bigger topic was selling the business or getting an investor, you know, and and

actually, you know, backing up probably back in December, we had talked about, hey, we need an investor or we need to sell the business cuz this is it was probably January actually. So, we need to sell the business. you know, I'm having the suicidal issue. I'm having the this and the that issue. And hey, this is time For me to to move along and figure something else out. Let's get somebody to invest or or take it over. And so we had built up a investment package and emailed financials and Victor said that he had people

looking at it and um you know like a $20 million valuation for the business and patent and you know I was all about it you know just it and like X for a bit. I mean, this Has been almost 19 years of craziness, >> you know, just to just to tell you, Candace, this story with Victor is not even the craziest thing that's happened in my life related to this business. It's not, but it's right on up there. Um, so yeah, I'm there for, hey, let's talk about the business, too. I got all this other

stuff I want to talk about, but we got four days here. I ended up saying Three. >> Mhm. >> Did not stay the fourth day, but uh we're talking about everything. And um so as we're going with this conversation, well, this first day was detox. Like I said, he put me in this sauna that had like this light thing frequency thing and it had all these colors on it and it was already clicking like everything's clicking for me. I'm recognizing stuff At this point and I look at it and it's like got all these frequencies

that you can select or healing certain issues with the body or mental or whatever. And it's a sauna. You just get in it and turn to the light frequency you want and sit in there for a while. In my mind, I'm going like, dang, that's new age. Like, light frequency is the hill. Like, why why are we doing this? Things are starting to click a little Bit more. A little bit more. Anyways, I get in it. Whatever. I'm trying not to be rude. I'm just trying to survive this trip. And so we um I do

that, we do some exercises, we walk, we talk. Um Victor goes and does some other stuff on the property. And I think he left the property a couple times and left me with and bodyguard was there the whole time like within a few paces of me if we were Walking. He was walking behind us >> and um everybody has their bulletproof vest on. I don't see Eileen anywhere the whole time. And um so the the third day is where most of the weirdness starts coming in and showing itself. And so third day we're we're walking

around the track and he's telling me that uh we're talking about business at this point. And um he tells me that well Sigau is going to be involved in this acquisition. But he didn't want to say details like okay well you know they're a big company they can afford it. It probably be a good technology for them and um I know that they're in law enforcement so they'd be down with the school resource officer mission. you know, surely, you know, that was a condition was, hey, SRO's, you got to be Committed to that. Um, and

then, you know, enough money to where not that we didn't have to work, but that we wouldn't have to run that run the business um and we would have breathing space to not have to work, you know, a regular job if we didn't want to. and not necessarily the first of our life but just like good breathing space >> that was the conditions which is kind of wide open right and um So he tells me that 6 hours involved he tells me that Daniel her got one of my full ARs and who's the top shooter

in the world that shoots for SIG he got a full Dr. David the thumbs up uh to Victor who Victor represented had a personal relationship with him. Um and uh so like everything's falling into place and I'm kind of you know this this could be a good thing. And then Victor tells me what he really wants to do. I was like, tells me, you know, 51% and we could only come up with a valuation of 2 million. And >> this is so crazy, >> you know, just uh for transparency, I put $2 million into it

at the start. >> It's just it's just a it's mindboggling that he would even try it. But >> yeah, >> he he must really think that you were under his spell. Well, I I well, I was coming out of it. >> Mhm. >> Um, and really it could be said that I'm not fully out of it even today. Um, but yeah, 2 million valuation and he wanted 51% which meant that he was going to put a little over a million in and take control of the company. And I said, "Well, you know, the the the

money really isn't The biggest that's it is big issue, but like the money isn't the biggest issue. It is the 51% and you're wanting the patent." I didn't say no, though. Didn't say no. Um, so my response was, "Well, you're too busy." And um he said well yeah I am busy but you know with my connections and this and that that you'll be able to manufacture Without so much stress and you know we'll we'll be behind you for for funding essentially but you know not really disclosing what that meant. So, I've been down this road

before. Um, so again, I didn't reject it and we went for another walk and so we just continued talking about it. I remember one thing, you know, what I was wanting to do and me and my wife Were wanting to do was be a part of the actual mission. Like we in our minds we were thinking if we're not working the company non-stop then we want to be part of the mission the ATP mission like where do we fit in? >> And they said well your wife you know that that's an easy you know we

got orphanages like it would be perfect for her but for you like you're just such an outlier. I don't really know. Not saying you Don't fit anywhere. It's just like I could would have to figure that out. Like, okay, well, keep talking then. And so, we're walking around the track up at the top where there's this camera tower. And um you know, we're walking and he's saying, "Well, Israel, Israel need your guns." And that's you know, that's when he stops walking. I stop and then he tells the he tells the bodyguard to step back a

Few paces and um you know I stop and I'm I'm looking at him and I say well yeah that you know that they have 3700 they're going to put a IDF guy in each of the schools and he he's looking at me he says no they need 50,000 for the IDF for oper operations in Gaza and um Lebanon and Syria. So, I'm just at this point like it's too Many too many red flags for me and I'm just staring at him and he's staring back and um he finally starts walking again after 15 or so

seconds and he says, "You know, that's why I'm not ever engaging in scripture with you." And I I walk start walking along with him. And I'm just wondering in my head like why that that scripture got to do with With guns, the IDF. And and I'm not against the IDF. It's just what you're saying is that all the guns have to go to the like what what about the school miss like we agreed that this rifle is designed to protect kids in schools. So if 50,000 are going like who's going to make those? How long

is it going to take? And like how are we going to get Guns on the back of SRO's here? all going on in my head and just confused about the whole situation. Like where where did this get so far off track? And so again, like that was the moment that that I was done, but I didn't say it. And so, um, you know, we're walking around and I just Yeah, it's just uh it's a blur at that Point. I don't even know how Oh, I don't know how I I left. And >> this is also

when he says to you, I think that I could not I could beat you up. I mean, what he admitted to he he did say I >> Oh, yeah. My goodness. >> The big part that >> Good grief. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, the 3,700 gun I said 3,700 schools. >> Yeah, that's that's great. 3,700 schools in in Israel. Um then he says no. um 50,000 guns and uh and the idea for the operations and Gaza of Lebanon and and Syria and that's you know our stare off and he says you know I could whoop

your ass and there ain't nothing you could do about it and uh inside I'm kind of laughing but I'm keeping a face a straight face and and not doing it like I made sure to keep looking at him, >> right? >> And and uh that's when he said, you know, we're that's why I'm never engaging in scripture with you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That was Yeah. Like like 10 things are happening in this sequence and it's just shocking. And you know, thinking back of it, like why did we stop right under the camera, >>

right? Like was he trying to get me to Come at him or or what? >> I think the whole weekend was kind of designed to intimidate you. I mean from wearing they're all wearing bulletproof. Why? You know him. He's supposed to be a friend of yours. We're just breaking these in that feel it just kind of feels like a military presence. So, it's kind of, and again, this is my opinion, but like supposed to subconsciously wrap you in this idea like we're we are a force and you're here alone. You don't Have your wife here.

Eileen's not here. It just feels very >> staged. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Just hearing it, that's what it feels like to me. >> Yeah. And it was >> And then he he's leading up to this big question on the third day. No one's here. I could kick your butt. and um the IDF wants this and you need the money Sort of a thing. You know, you're desperate and you know this is what we can do. This is what your company's worth. It's it's quite intimidating. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Or meant to be intimidating. >>

I mean, I would say I wouldn't say traumatic, but you know, again, you got to remember like just four 3 months prior, I was in this suicide crisis. >> I was coming off of THC. Mhm. >> I was engaged in scripture And then like all these red flags are popping up and then and then that >> Yeah. >> And so yeah, as you know that's basically the end of the day for the third day. And um you know we left on good terms. I didn't uh never had one like crosswise conversation with him. Mhm. >>

Um I think you mentioned something about like a threatening innuendo and was >> Yeah, that's what he said. >> No, that Yeah, that's >> it. >> It didn't even register as plausible given the fact that you were on his property. He's got his guys. I was like, no. Like I mean, who would try to size up and then be like, yeah, no, I'm going to take you on your own property with your own men all around with cameras in front. That didn't sound right to me. But up. >> Yeah. And we did and we did

go into the uh wreck room and was kicking around the bags and everything, stretching and um doing this and that, but you know, he said he he looked down like a puppy >> cuz he even admitted that he made that threat. And see, I just like blocked that out of my mind just then. >> Crazy. But um look down like a puppy. Like no, that's not me. I don't I don't like to fight. I don't fight. But um that was kind of that was kind of a Low blow. >> Yeah. Still kind of making you

feel small. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So you get out of there a day early and what happens thereafter? You're kind of now realizing what this is. >> Maybe kind of adjacent to this sort of Nars cult. Uh >> yeah, >> Nar cult or yeah, new Apostolic Reformation, something. >> No, I really didn't. I still thought in my mind that they that Victor was just unaware >> all the way all the way through this point. Just unaware of of what he was involved with. That's how how deep that bond had become or or whatever you want

to call that. >> Yeah. You can't see what's right in front of you. >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And um so I leave I Leave the property and I'm staying in Colorado for another month. And so I go get Airbnbs, jump around a little bit. I do a demo at uh Douglas County. I just drove up to Douglas County Sheriff's Department and and walked in with my full AR on my back. It's a huge huge department, like 600 officers. I just walk in with my full AR and, you know, declare it and they find me the

guy to talk to out of this huge um uh police force. And the dude was just blown away by it. Had never seen it. We got a demo set up the next week. Came out and did a demo for them and SWAT team came out, SRO's came out. Um, several of the other like armory guys and they just loved it. M >> so that's what I love doing by the way is is you know I'm not a combat guy but I will show anybody how to deploy the full AR especially SRO's and le guys and

I really good at it and I can talk them through the product and demonstrate Really well and that's what I enjoy most. So that was that was a good thing that I was able to do while I was still there. But I was there. I had already set up intensive counseling. Uh, and Victor knew about it. I think he said that he paid for the counseling. >> Mhm. >> Did not. Um, I paid all of it. It was $13,000 with the counseling in the room, But I don't know why he said that he paid for

it. He didn't. >> So, my wife did come up. It was set up for individual counseling for me as an intensive two-week deal. Um, and I pressured her into coming. I got we we got to do marriage counseling. And so she did come up. We went through it. uh I did well and and ended up getting back home And um yeah, I mean that's kind of the history of the last visit for Victor Mark. So, I want to uh also interject that in this same timeline, you did have one of your fold ARs went missing,

and it's just relevant to bring this forward to I I think kind of just an interesting kind of just interesting certainly is interesting. You um you went out to sell an AR and I want to get the timeline Right. This is June of 2024. >> Okay. So that one that one was June 24. That was an online purchase >> that we shipped to a gun store in Texas. >> Okay. And >> not in person. >> It was not in person and it was for a police officer um down in Texas. >> And then you kind

of got a phone call. I know I already told my audience this, but you get a phone call from the officer less than a month later, about a Month later, maybe just over a month later, uh that the weapon was stolen out of his vehicle in while he was in Midland, Texas, >> right? >> And he gave you the case number or the report number. >> Yeah. And he didn't call me >> paper. >> Yeah. When this when the incident happened, he didn't I didn't know about it. >> Oh. Um, but he uh Yeah. And

on July the 4th, it was stolen. >> Mhm. >> Purchased it in June. We shipped it to his gun shop. Um, in June, also late June. And on July 4th, it was stolen in Midland out of his vehicle. >> Mhm. And then he notified the Midland Police Department, took a report, serial number, and a report number. And um >> so he didn't give you that report number. >> Not not during then. It was much actually it was only few weeks ago. >> Okay. So you actually didn't know that it had been stolen until a couple

of weeks ago. >> No, >> after the ATF. I got the ATF trace on on September the 10th. >> Okay. So, just to kind of get our ducks In a row here, >> uh June 2024, you it's an online sale. It's going to police officer in Texas. The police officer loses, does not inform you, but gets the gun stolen from him, I should say, in Midland, Texas. The story is he says, which you'll find out later, is that there is uh his window was open or something while he went into the gas station. someone grabbed

it and he called the police uh the local police obviously he's a police Officer but not in Midland and filed a report for this missing gun. You actually did not find out right away. You did not know at all that this gun was missing or had been stolen until what next happens is on the day that Charlie was killed. >> Right. >> Oh, that's an interesting thing. I thought that you found out immediately that he just kind of gave you, hey, just a heads up or whatever. >> Okay, that's interesting. So on September 10th, you

get this email which we are going to show um which is from the ATF which they are performing is something that's called a an ATF trace. What I've explained to my audience is that uh when they do this trace, it's because this weapon has popped up typically in always, I think, in a crime and they're trying to trace the gun and who's the manufacturer, who sold the gun, I guess, Sort of whose hands have crossed it. Am I describing that correctly? >> Right. >> And you have 24 hours to respond to this email, >> right?

>> Or I don't know. I guess they swing in the door. I don't know what happens actually if you put if you miss deadline, but you don't you're not going to test that out, right? So, you instantly respond to the email. Obviously, this is now uh on the morning of Charlie Kirk's assassination, which is definitely interesting. It's definitely something that piqued your interest of, okay, I get this trace and suddenly this gun that I think is all good and belongs to a police officer in Texas is coming up in an ATF trace. This is really

interesting. I did not realize appreciate this when you first told me the story. I thought you police officer had instantly informed you. So, you're Thinking that's kind of weird. Um, I now know that this gun is potentially being used in a crime. What happened to this gun? You contact the person that you sold it to, a police officer. And >> much later, >> much later. Now, on the day of Charlie's assassination, >> I'm because you just don't know what to think of this. Obviously, a lot's going on. How much later is need to be perfect?

>> Couple months, couple weeks? Cuz it's kind of in the back of your head like that. And it was >> it was about I would say about 4 weeks ago from today month ago. >> So re very recently. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Cuz it's just kind of in the back of your mind like that was a weird thing. And I don't know why this would be involved in a crime at all because this is I sold to a police officer. Feels Kind of safe. >> And at that moment did you leave a message on his

phone when you called or did he pick up instantly? >> Uh he picked up instantly. >> Okay. and he told you the story of, "Oh, actually that's so funny that you say that." And you ask him, "Hey, did the ATF call you?" He tells you the ATF did not call him. Actually, they called you. And >> well, didn't call me. They They did. >> They emailed you. They did not email him or trace anything with him. How weird. Actually, what happened was I actually lost that gun at a gas station because somebody took it from

me. I called the police and then he gives you the report number. >> Mhm. >> After you hang up the phone. >> Yeah. I sent it in a text message. >> Okay. And we can show that this this text message that you received of the Report number. Uh he you feel confident when you're talking to him that he's telling you the truth. I think you told me that you felt like >> Yeah, I felt like he was telling the truth. >> Okay. I had I will say I had trouble with the story. I I've already

expressed that to my audiences just because I go off of vibe sometimes. And for me, when I heard the story of like a police officer, You know, calling the police, that's a police officers tend to be embarrassed if they get something taken from them cuz like we're the police officers. supposed to stop the crime and then it happens to us and they'll they get all proud and well I'm going to hunt this guy and kick down with you know they kind of are excessive when it happens to them or someone that they love or in

their immediate circle even if you cut off a police officer suddenly they're Like giving you the worst ticket ever you know it's like I'm a police officer and you violate the laws I found it even more unusual and again I'm speculating here but I just am familiar with Midlands incredibly wealthy because of the oil. Um, and I thought it was very strange that a gas station wouldn't have cameras and you had asked him about that and I What was the reason he told that he didn't they the cameras weren't facing or they didn't have Footage?

What was the >> Yeah, I think it did have cameras and he did he told me that he did go in and check, but they couldn't see the visual of it, I guess, at a at the angle the vehicle was parked or wherever it was parked at, but it didn't tell me >> too much about that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I struggled with that a little bit. I'm going to be honest. It's a gas station, um, wealthy area. I just felt That would not be too likely. And uh then also just that a lot of

unlikely things that happened there. So, but I did say I have not uh had the time yet to reach out, which I'm going to do to hear that story. >> There's something about it that just instantly strikes me as very odd. Um for whatever reason, that strikes me as very odd. And I don't know this, so I'll ask you the question. In that typical scenario, Shouldn't they have done the trace on him first? So they do the trace on the manufacturer. >> Then it went to a gun store >> that he has his gun sent

to >> and then they're supposed to trace do the same trace for the same material to that gun store >> and then um that gun store would tell them, "Okay, we sold it to this person. Here's their phone number and address." >> Did the gun store Did you call the gun store? >> No, I didn't. >> Okay. So that's something that is could definitely be chased down. Okay. I'm definitely going to take a look into that. I I do find that to be as you did this for the same reasons just like oh that's kind

of precise timing and it it also is sort of you know the timeline that you I don't know just a lot going on at That in that timeline in 2024. So we'll see. Um, but that is that definitely was of interest to me of just just a lot of planes were coming out of Texas that day in general, I think is why it kind of also flagged me. um as weird as just looking into the Charlie Kirk assassination and things of that nature and then kind of this weird connection with Victor's like trying to get

these guns from you in that time frame for different things and he's giving you the Haiti spiel, but now I'm in contact with someone from Haiti who knows Victor Marks and it's very it's just getting even more interesting. Um I don't think anybody really knows Victor Marks. I was that person shared with me messages. I was surprised to learn that his backstory about being abused by his dad, his dad being named Karl Marx, I guess it was right there, but I didn't know that Karl Marx was Jewish. This Karl Marx's dad, that was um something

that Came across in text messages that were given to me. >> That uh he's quite defensive about Israel is what I would say. He's he is similarly how he >> Yeah. >> kind of got real serious with you when it came to the IDF. He similarly got serious with this other individual who is interested in speaking out um who was his liaison to Jimmy Barbecue in Haiti and similarly this person kind of did Some one-off comment about Israel and he met a different Victor Marks is what I would say who was like what if I

told you my my dad's Jewish and don't ever say that ever again. So, there's a lot that's compelling to me and something that I hadn't shared before with my audiences is that he was uh Charlie Kirk stopped speaking to Benjamin Marks entirely. Their relationship I mean like unfollowed each other. I've uh spoken to several people about this. They didn't Know what the falling out was about, but it there was an very big falling out between Charlie and Victor Marks. And >> do you know what time frame? Uh well, it all had to happen in the

same season cuz Victor Marks was not in it. I don't know the time frame. I will find out. And he had completely stopped talking to him. They had stopped following each other. And I'm wondering, you know, how then his wife was so close to Eileen and Victor that that's one of The first people that she wants to hug and connect with after the assassination. and he also happened to be the first person that we can find that announced that Charlie Kirk was dead and then removed that video. I just find that to be really interesting

and hopefully we will get some answers from Victor Marks about what his falling out was with Charlie Kirk if that was ever patched out. Actually, I don't know if it was. Um, His relationship with Era makes me uncomfortable given the fact that I had already arrived at a question mark about the Egyptian planes. My thesis was that they were trafficking weapons um, based off of the pattern over 3 years beginning in the same time frame that you're discussing in 2023. and she happens to have a proximity to a lot of pastors that have interesting pasts

and presents and always a finger on Trafficking charities. And I I find that not to be coincidental. I don't find that to be coincidental. And um I just don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible that everybody can be doing charity in the same way for orphanages and wanting to stop out human trafficking. And the Jimmy Barbecue story was interesting because of also Tim Ballard and Operation Underground. I don't know if you're familiar with them >> a little bit. Yeah. >> Yeah. I um had interviewed him, had heard the story, totally fell for the

story that he was helping these victims, and then he arrived in a massive scandal where people were saying, "No, that's not actually what he was doing overseas." And so, it's another piece that I need to put together, but there just sort of seems to be a lot of these connecting themes with um you know, my heart's in the right place. I'm doing Charity. I'm doing this. This is the theme of the charity. am protecting orphanages and I think that there there potentially could be more here and I think the biggest theme and the one that's

the most upsetting in listening to your story uh the current that runs through all of this is this faux faith and it feels like the entire world was given this retooling prayer so to speak after uh Charlie died. I feel like we went Through that but publicly where suddenly we're being told this is all God ordained and this is what who you have to follow and this is who you need to listen to and if you question this you've got demons on you and you it this is I think um what was so compelling about

your story because it was a a microcosm of what we have seen happen since Charlie um passed away and we have this Victor Marks connection and I find the manner in which he dealt with you to Be sort of the manner in which Turning Point, the stage, everything they have dealt with us publicly like this is what God has ordained and nobody should question this. And yet we all feel the darkness. We everyone that collectively the world feels a darkness there outside of the you know little bubble of the mainstream media that's trying to conduct

the retooling prayer on us. Um yeah I want to say that I I want to say that there is you are what you Perceived in February April that faith is being manipulated and it is not for light forces it is for dark forces people are going to feel that and and I I felt so seen when I was reading your story and realizing what we're actually looking at here is dark psychiatry this is this is dark it's psychiatry It's manipulative. You had um used the term when we were discussing which I think many people are

familiar with which is Darvo. Do you want to talk about what Darvo is in case they're not? >> Well, yeah. Um this is something I just learned over the past few days is a Darvo. If I can remember properly, it stands for deny um attack, reverse victim, uh >> victim and offender. an offender. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, the perpetrator denies what you're accusing him of. He attacks you and then he reverses the Roles of victim and accuser. And when I say that we are going through this on a large scale and it was exa

exactly how I just my experience with turning point after um when you walked in tonight I was on the phone with actually the president of the University of Georgia um and she and this sorry for the Turning Point USA chapter and there had just been this situation where Erica wasn't going u because the crowd size and she said that Was it. It was it was the crowd size. We told them that it wasn't going to be a big crowd. We were concerned the entire time. We had communicated this to them that people didn't want to

go. Conservatives didn't want to go because they don't like Erica. And they told us to keep going, keep going. And then Erica abandons that commitment in the last moment. And they get on stage and they blame the world. You know, it's like you didn't show up for your Commitment and now you're telling the world that she had death attacks or like, you know, death threats and that wasn't true. And and so the students are resigning. she's resigning her post and she said I exam the same psychological tactics. Um there needs to be a broader discussion

about that. There just needs to be a broader discussion about that. And so there is sort of this um nucleus and I and I shouldn't even call It this is this is so unhealthy. There's there's a really unhealthy cell here that's building with faith. It's not really faith. It's a cult. I think it's actually a cult in practice is what he was doing. I think there was father if you actually spoke to a priest about everything that happened. I was watching an interview with Father Riper. I don't know if you got to see that. >>

I did. Yeah. >> Incredible. It was incredible to hear Him speak about some of those things. I found it to be incredible and I haven't even finished it. Um I want to pivot to this weapon story though cuz again talking about everyone in Erica's orbit, I had just covered that her mother similarly was trying to buy or get involved get the patent. I should say for uh another gun company, unique gun company, which could hold uh different bullet types in each chamber. I know I'm terrible at speaking about guns. You're Smirking here. What What do

we The cylinder different rifling in each in each cylinder, which is super unique. >> And when I said that to you upstairs, like that's very interesting. Your gun can fold. This gun would be the first to do this. and Lori was having this meeting. It did it ended up not panning out, but her Erica showed up and they were interested in this in this company or this patent rather wasn't actually Made. And I thought, what is it? What do you think it is about these super unique guns that they're interested in and I would like

to hear your perspective? And to talk about September 10th because I think if there was a shot fired, could it have been closer? Could somebody have had it in their backpack? Again, we're surmising here. We are totally not saying this is how it went down, but it certainly makes for a compelling conversation. >> Yeah. So, so that uh I got to see a video rendition of what the product that you're talking about. It looks like a revolver and it seemed to have multiple chambers um that each have different calibers built into it. And uh typically

that would be like a handgun style firearm, but um you know, you just extend the the cylinder, so to speak, out further and put a stock on it and whatnot. And then it could be configured as some kind of Shoulder fired weapon. And in theory, you could have, I don't know, up to 10 or 15 or more uh different calibers in it. And so I've never seen that product in the marketplace. I suppose it didn't uh >> hasn't been manufactured yet. >> No commercialization there. Uh as far as the patent goes, I'm not I've never

seen it before. But um >> he did secure the patent. >> Yeah. >> Three years it took, but he's got the patent for it. >> I would say this. So the fold AR uh has several unique features to it. One being that it can fold obviously and the other that is not so obvious is the quick change barrel system. And so with just a push of a pin, you can take the entire barrel system off and swap it with a different barrel system of a different length or caliber. And so in the in the uh

in the case of the AR-15, the most common calibers are 5.56 or 223, same caliber there, and 300 Blackout. So um we sell proportionately 60 to 40, you know, 60% the 5.56 and maybe 40% 300 Blackout. And so it's very common being that the ballistics report of the shooting say 30 caliber that doesn't necessarily mean 306. And so it could be a number of 30 caliber which is the diameter 30 in. It could be any number of different uh cartridges, but all 30 caliber. And so that matches a 300 blackout profile. And so in my

opinion, why um maybe certain countries would want a barrel system changeable rifle. I mean it's twofold. One is one is for assassinations. >> Yeah. >> And uh so here's here's the scenario. Again, speculation. I'm not hanging my hat on this, >> right? >> We don't see much evidence. We see a few things. Um, but the scenario is you have a backpack, you have a rifle that fits in it, and it would not necessarily have to be a fold AR. There are some other models where you can take the barrel off with different means, but they're

not very popular. Um, in the case of a fold AR, you could have the folded rifle in a backpack and another barrel system in it. And so you get to a shooting position, you take the rifle out, you unfold it, latch it, take your shot, you fold it, pop the pin, take that barrel system off, grab the other barrel System that's in the backpack, connect it to the receiver set, throw the other barrel, the the freshly shot barrel system back in the backpack. or wrapped around a towel. And you either leave the gun there and

you take the backpack and the towel and the barrel system with you and jump off a building or you put it all back together in the backpack and go put the entire unit somewhere else. So reason behind that if If you're want to get away with assassination, then you shoot a bullet out of one system, one barrel system, and then you swap it over to another, and your bullet profile doesn't match. As long as you get one of those components out of the mix, then you're effectively scot-free. All right, you guys. A lot of people

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obviously that's been the biggest discoveries in this is that the bullet didn't go through, right? So this is why people really struggled with the 30 odd six because you know it would take down a moose. Um >> is the 30 any 30 scenario would that be different >> as someone who's not familiar with different bullets and what they can do which would be me and I think a lot of other people as well like that was that's something that to me feels like it it would have to be a lot smaller. Um, >> so there's

a lot of schools of thought around this and I'm not a ballistics expert. I'm a compact weapons expert on the AR platform, But um, ballistics I've seen a lot. I've I've shot a lot, but you know, I don't do that every day. You know, that's that's that's my qualification there. However, um I do know that 300 Blackout, especially a subsonic um has a much higher probability of not going through than a 300 6. Now, >> can I ask what a subsonic is? >> Subsonic is usually charged, well, always charged with a lesser uh burning Powder.

Okay. >> Um, and so it'll travel ideally below the sound barrier. >> Mhm. >> Which is going to be around >> so literally subsonic sound. >> Yeah. Okay. >> 950 ft per second plus or minus depending on >> temperature, elevation, all that. >> Mhm. >> And so, um, I wasn't there, so I didn't Hear the gunshot. And of course, hearing it through phones and audio devices isn't the same. Uh, a lot of people can tell the difference right off the bat between subsonic and supersonic. >> Um, >> also there were speakers there. There's one theory

that they played a sound that was different while another one escaped. I mean, there's a thousand different I I there's so many theories out there, but um, people would be able to tell a Difference between a subsonic is the main point. Okay. And so with and I'll just describe, you know, the most likely ballistic profile that I would uh be looking at for this type of D and and I don't see the body. >> Mhm. >> I'm just here. I haven't even seen pictures. I saw, you know, the immediate aftermath of those videos, but we

haven't seen, you know, the body. Uh so just again if There was no exit and there was a fragment of the bullet in the found in the body and I think I heard somewhere that there was other lead fragments found inside. Don't know if that's true or not, but um what you're looking at is a potentially a subsonic 300 Blackout that uh perhaps wasn't shot with the suppressor installed on it And uh did not did not go through and separated when it hit. and a piece of the jacket coming off and and separating. And um

again though, if there is no exit wound, you're going to find all the bullet fragments inside and you'll be able >> Yeah. >> And you'll be able to weigh it and uh you'll tell exactly or pretty close how much that bullet originally weighed After you get all the pieces together. >> Mhm. And so, um, if it is true that no fragments left the body, then it will all be there. >> That's, yeah, it's got to all be there. It's an autopsy. >> And so, maybe we're not seeing the whole picture. Maybe some fragments did exit

somewhere. I don't know. Um, but I could see a 300 blackout doing that. Even a supersonic Blackout could possibly um still remain completely inside the body and separate and not penetrate through um 306 though. I mean, I've had a guy that that was a sniper, a marine sniper that that said he's seen all kinds of crazy stuff. This is just last week. And uh he he could envision a 30 out six corlock possibly doing that but >> in the neck. >> Yeah, >> that's the problem. It's the neck like he seemed kind of >> he

seemed kind of like Yeah, it's very unlikely but I've seen crazy stuff before. >> People have sent me uh pictures of them like dad accidentally shot himself. It actually ricocheted off a tree and hit him and it went through both of his legs like um ricocheted. So it slowed down And they sent me one guy was in the hospital. I just wanted you to see what a 30 oit did to me. I was on a hunting trip had an accident and like >> this is how far it was and I was I mean these people

almost lost their ability to walk like I mean it's like and this is the leg, right? So much more like a neck is just that was kind of the other thing is it was the neck. If it was the chest I think people could have been like okay maybe like >> I I do want to ask you a question. When you sell um your guns, are you giving them every every barrel option comes with it? >> No, they'll they'll usually just buy one version. >> One version. >> Occasionally they'll get a a barrel system with

a different caliber along with the purchase. >> Okay. And may I ask regarding that Texas purchase where the gun went missing, Which barrel option was it? >> That was 5.56, >> otherwise known as a 23. >> Thank you. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Okay, that's very interesting. So, that's actually smaller than 30. >> So, that'll move a lot faster. And uh that was a 16in barrel 223. And so, velocities are going to be up in The um 3,000 range, feet per second. And with most ammo that's going to punch right through and not even expand much

and just poke a hole unless it hit hit bone of course. But um I mean there's all kinds of different ammunition and >> Wait, sorry. When you say it's going to go right through, do you mean like a 300 6 go through? >> No, 300 6 is just um it's expanding quickly. It's got a lot more energy and Bigger diameter and it's uh I would say in within two inches of neck it's already >> not even like the middle like we're it's you know less you got less if you're going through this way you know

um which is where he was hit but a two >> it's just going to a normal 30 six is just going to plow right through. >> Mhm. I think they knew that. I think They they were never planning on showing up. >> And even still, if if the jacket did separate quickly and didn't just mushroom in and stay intact, depending on the bullet design, even if it did separate, those pieces after they separate, they're they're >> some of them are going to go out and exit. Even if one of them's can hit bone and then

travel back down like they said. >> Yeah, >> possible. But the other piece is going to shoot out somewhere. >> Yeah. And it just didn't at all. >> Yeah. So, I would say this. So, with a 300 Blackout up on an inclined roof angle, a subsonic 300 Blackout round. Another interesting thing to think about, typical gun ranges, you're going to zero your rifle at either 100 yards or 25 yards. Doesn't have to be the case, but that's typically what you do with your scope. And so, let's say you you zero it at 100 yards. Well,

when you're now at 150 yards, your bullet's going to drop. If you're at 100 yards, it's going to hit right on where you're aiming if you've done your job and zeroed it. But if you're at 100 yards, it's going to drop. If it's a subsonic round, it it may drop 10 to 12 in, Maybe 8 in, maybe 14 in, but it's going to drop adding that extra 50 yards. And then you have the incline factor. >> Mhm. >> So you're shooting kind of downhill and it's not going to drop as much. So you're shooting flat.

If it's let's just say average of 10 in it drops. The incline it's going to drop maybe seven or 6 in even. >> Yeah. I'm I'm not convinced that shot Came from that uh Losi center building. Well, so if it did and you had a 300 blackout that was zeroed at 100, then it's very reasonable that it would hit in the neck if aiming exactly for the head. >> Mhm. Yeah. I tell you what, it's it's a much more believable story than the one that we're getting. I will say that. So, um I mean this

is all just so fascinating to hear your story and I think it gives us A lot to think about. I certainly have, as I've said, I'm happy to have Victor on this podcast and to allow him to tell more about his life story. Uh which I think many people have found parts to be unbelievable. I do think um I think he's a crazy person. I will say that for sure. I just just in the basis of the story you're telling me, the the retooling prayer. Um I think he's wildly manipulative. I think he's probably um

involved in a cult in the occult. That's what that all sounds like to me. And um but it is also, like I said, a dark psychiatry for sure. And I do think that right off the bat, you were a victim of that. and he he targeted you for purposes that had very little to do with faith and more to do with the product that you had. And it's a piece I think the uh person who wrote the piece and has been working on your story, Corey Kennedy, right? >> Mhm. >> Did a very good job

when she described it as a mosaic. We're looking at a very large mosaic. a lot of players are involved. Um, all kind of using the same tools, manipulating people, attacking people, making them think that, you know, they're not doing right by God, which is the wildest piece of the manipulation. It's the darkest piece of the manipulation. If you don't serve me, if you don't do this for me, you're not doing right by God. And putting Themselves in positions of power over people's life and and just learning those points, those where can they push? Where is

this person vulnerable? What are they the most scared of? Well, then I know how to put them more firmly in my grass, under my thumb, you know. >> Okay. I I would bring up a topic. So, on Israel, um I'm not against Israel. And I don't have some beef against the IDF. I don't have a beef against the people of Israel. I don't have beef against Jews. um with Victor claiming that he's Jew, that doesn't matter to me. You know, Israel is Israel is believers in Christ. And uh you know, replacement theology is not is

not the thing. Dispensationalism is not it. It It's Right in the middle. It's fulfillment. >> Jesus Christ fulfilled. And so we are supposed to still treat everybody, no matter what ethnicity they are, no matter what country they're from, with the love and respect that Jesus Christ gave us an instruction to do so. And so, you know, I like I like the idea of protecting the nation of Israel Um just as it was any other nation. However, offensively, no. Defensively, yeah. But we crossed the line, right? Mhm. And uh what I see happening is the fulfillment

of prophecy. I think that we've got we've got a condition set where we're about to throw down Israel and that's that's equally as dangerous. And so with I mean did you see what Trump read today in the Bible? >> I have not seen that yet. I've been working all day. Yeah. So, um it's a call a national call for repentance and um you know when you look at what was read today, you combine it with the story of of Solomon, which that's where this this chapter this verse set of verses is Coming from. Uh they're

preparing to build the third temple. >> And so, just look into that. And >> I'm been looking into Freemasonry and their obsession with >> Solomon's temple, Solomon's ring. It's where the that is what the flag of Israel is. I mean, it's um yeah, I will I will look into that. I did not see it, so I will say that. But >> yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting one. And >> you can see what's guiding Trump is sort of this dark theology right now. Uh, and he's not really concerned about anything other than something that he thinks

is a higher calling. I think is what that's what it feels like to all of us where doesn't seem like he cares about what happens to us one way or the other. There's something higher that he's serving. I don't think it's higher to be clear. I think it's lower. But yeah, >> the story of Hosea is a really good example. So, Hosea and Goomer, >> you know, Hosea was instructed to go marry a prostitute and uh that prostitute represented Israel. Hosea represented God for Jesus. And um so he he did it and uh Goomemer ended

up doing what a prostitute does and ran off and and uh went prostituting and got captured again. And uh Hosea in a in obedience He uh went and bought her out of bondage. And so he still loved his his wife who had disobeyed. And it's the same situation look at with the Jews or Israel is that they've rejected Christ, but God does still have his arms open. And the promise is still there. Old covenant is not there, but the new covenant is there for them. And so in that manner, all of Israel will be saved.

All Believers in Christ will be saved. So we got to keep that in mind when when we see the synagogue of Satan, you know, that's just a small portion of Israel. >> Yeah. You see people I mean I think you hold the perspective of most true Christians you know you want everyone to be saved >> you know it's it's >> we are this is not and some religions and faiths are exclusive no you're born Into no we want everyone to be saved want everyone to find Christ and we also want people to not be distracted

by those who are saying they're doing things in Christ's name that are actually taking you down an entirely different path and I think you your awakening that you started to have about wait what is this? Um I know Charlie was going through that in the end. Charlie was looking up and wondering what the heck was around him, Who these people were. We had had those conversations about the manipulation about the moral blackmail which she spoke about about um what I had described to him. It was like this is like a gang actually. It's a gang

and it's a and they're imparting spiritual warfare. And so I I do think in the end he had clarity on a lot and was, you know, fighting fighting for himself and fighting for truth and realizing that what is real Was. I do I know that. I know that Charlie was recognizing that. And I don't believe he died in vain cuz we're 7 months into this thing. Seven and a half months into this and I wake up every day and he's still a national conversation. >> Yeah. And >> it's an international conversation. >> Yeah. And he

and he still loved Israel, >> just not the things that his >> knew that what they were doing didn't Work anymore. And um the reasons he was told being told it was fine was not okay anymore. >> And um yeah, it's exactly what you went through. I think exactly what I went through. And so it's uh there's no hatred on our part which I no matter how many times they try to psychologically convince us that it is an act of hate to notice things that are wrong that are plainly wrong that we can see with

our own eyes. >> Yeah. >> You know I think we have covered so much here. Um and I just want to thank you for opening this conversation to everybody. I think this is going to send people down a lot of different rabbit holes. I know for me, I definitely want to chase that full they are that went missing. Um, and >> I think it's a I think it's um I think it's a divine point. >> Yeah. >> In the right direction. >> Yeah. And it could be nothing but >> it is saying look this direction.

>> Mhm. Yeah. You felt it had a question. I have a question. There may be an answer there. Sometimes you go somewhere and it okay it's nothing but we got to try it. I feel like we have to do all that stuff for Charlie, you know, just to keep looking. And yeah, I think just Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you so much. >> You're w