FIRSTHAND UFO Crash Retrieval: Jake Barber’s Full Story

For thousands of years people have been seeing objects in the sky that they can't identify and today we have somebody who has actually retrieved a UFO firsthand a firsthand [Music] witness the energy is just really good it's perfect for how are you dude a whole lot of sleep for either of us we just you guys didn't sleep I didn't sleep at all no [ __ ] way why I'm just pumped we have five people standing behind cameras right now and nobody knows why we're here you didn't tell them no you didn't tell them no no

not bro okay everybody can we have everybody here I just want to let everybody know what we're here for start with just thank you everybody came in on a 36- hour notice for the first time in all these years of doing interviews with UFO related people today we're going to be Talking to firsthand witness so it's no longer at the guy that talked to the guy it is the guy himself part of why I'm valuable is because I am like I'm at the fingertips of this thing and everyone we people have heard from a high

like administrative leadership exactly this is super dangerous for him right now like right now we're in a limbo because the story is supposed to break out on on newed Nation hopefully with this week and every day that it doesn't uh go live there's more danger is life so tell me about the moment when you realized that you were involved in a retrieval of nonhuman technology I was trained as a pilot a long time ago and the last 20 years I've served more as a as a pilot than I have as a ground crew member or

in any other capacity good Morning Jake have you retrieved a non-human craft yes I have for everyone that's getting exposed this right now humble yourself from the perspective of what you consider believable can you describe the retrievals end to end what happens where are you I sit back at a separate location I get GPS coordinates at the very last second I get dispatched I go there and then uh in route from very short range Out maybe 5 minutes it's out I get red a description of what it is I'm picking [Music] up it's so real

when you look at it it's not like in the background you're hearing oh and there's this light like this is an epic moment where's the crescendo of it's like no there's just flying a helicopter come over Ridge there's an egg sitting there and dudes sitting around on the ground flashing you walk calling you in it doesn't Register as exciting you know in that format I don't know when I when I'm hearing the story a big giant 20ft egg how do you know that's non-human intelligence since we've left the program and reorganized and are now working

with arrow I can make the egg show up and we have and we've demonstrated it post program and we did it in August oh my God in broad daylight at the moment we elicited the egg the egg flies by in dead silence Moving at 10,000 mph all right one more guy in the light you know Everyone likes to ask why am I not afraid that someone's going to try and silence me with death there are people that have died who were coming out and who were speaking out on our activities anybody you know yes can

you say anything more no cuz there's an investigation um happening right now I'm not afraid of the boogeyman I am The boogeyman you don't want to show up at my house and think you're going to be successful with Brute Force because that's going to go south for you really quickly it's got this cold military political stigma attached to it but that's not it it's not about like flying equipment like oh let can we get in a flying saucer and like get to London in 2 minutes or could we get there yesterday because now we know

try like Screw all that the real implications are way more powerful it's realizing that there is something else out there that's maybe not extra at all it's something that's part of us it's like outer space versus Inner Space is all the same [Music] different parts of the brain have different activities well you know that don't you maybe you interview me [Music] what's up what's up boogey man for thousands of years people have been seeing objects in the sky that they can't identify for maybe the last 80 years we've been speculating as to American government other

governments involvement with UFOs and today we have somebody who has actually retrieved a UFO firsthand a firsthand witness and uh we have this amazing crew by the way we have Omar Present we have Logan present and we don't have you know we've gotten to know you a little bit over the last month but we don't have a ton of context as to what exactly you experience and so we want to really get down to the basics and maybe just start with who are you let's bring it all the way back to your childhood okay yeah

well man I mean first thing I should say is like like looking back to me it's clear that uh the intelligence Community looks for Kids like me I had what you could probably call what I the the four eyes let's say imagination intellect intuition and instincts uh my grandfathers were the best men you could ever imagine um I had uh you know we could call him Navy Grandpa and army Grandpa let's do that so Navy Grandpa was a very influential naval officer he was actually a member of the Navy Seals predecessors the scouts and Raiders

um he and my my other grandfather um army Grandpa um they laid the foundation to our F literally put the Cornerstone in took had their pictures taken in the 50s laying the Cornerstone to our our family church up until the point my parents divorced I had a pretty good childhood but when step families entered the picture um when things became hell for me uh how did they become hell uh the environment in the step family at my mom's house which where I spent most of my time was Abusive um physically abusive specifically because of your

stepfather stepfather and Stepbrother his son uh who was much older than me but uh what sort of abuse I mean really all three if there if there are three like what like physically verbally and like uh low-key sexually abusive like borderline sexually abusive too and uh so I just I chose to like live outside basically and by the time I got in high school my uh Navy grandpa had encouraged me to get Into swimming and water polo and um I had also continued to do art and music and uh had entered a science contest and

won a state science fair based on a project I had done what was the project um it's called color chords uhhuh and in my music class I we had learned at a very rudimentary level this thing called the circles of fifths which is um a basically a pie chart where uh you can break down and learn the intervals of harmonies basically you got a root note From any root note there's of what's called a perfect fifth and that fifth Rings a Harmony which um is Pleasant there's also a third and in a major chord you

have a first a third and a and a fifth in A minor chord you have a first a minor third which is a half a interval down but you keep that major fifth and it it makes what people refer to as like a sad sound or a sad but they're both beautiful it's more of a happy beautiful and then like a deeper Dramatic beautiful so uh the understanding of Harmony in the sound world is when wavelengths overlap in a way that forms some form of geometry that is enhancing rather than degrading to the independent waveforms

you get something like Harmony and your ear can pick that up and your emotions can react to it in a variety of ways so I'm like well shoot if photons make waveforms um are there color combinations that can have that same Complimentary um interplay where when the colors combined that they're Pleasant and could it be that they actually elicit the exact same emotions it was really cool I I did well in our local area and I kept I went on to count and then I went on to the state and I got awarded with like

10 other kids an award at the state level for that project um well you are you talk about trauma being a part of what the intelligence Community was looking for Let's get into the juicy stuff which is the Air Force Recruiting you yeah uh how did they recruit you how'd you get in touch um so when I got expelled my senior year my grandfather pulled some strings and got me into another High School um my parents were involved in that process but unbeknownst to my parents I also had this secret intervention with my grandfathers both

of them came together and they began exploring military Opportunities for me they like they just saw that that's what I needed and for me I was like yeah I want to jump out of airplanes and kill bad people like I'm all in just I want that job I don't want to do like a desk job or cook and so they set out made phone calls and you know looking back I don't think they had any idea what they were getting me into um I mean I didn't either I don't blame them it's not like they

were complicit or part of some deep State and like put Their grandson up for offering to the program it it wasn't like that but you know I took some uh initial screening in our local area and then we traveled down by UCLA and I went through a series of tests over multiple visits like all your basic stuff I mean physical stuff physiological but then went into psychological um um wow uh testing creative testing so I went down and the first time i' had ever taken an IQ test so you take it two times at least

twice But two different ways I'll say the first time I took it I think it was just a straight up IQ test and I remember knowing exactly what I got because I was so interested to find out and it was like 138 and I was like oh that kind of sucks like that's not very high it's pretty high I'm like you're not supposed I'm supposed to be smarter than that hundreds average but then they do this second thing which is a stress IQ test And so you take the same test but I put on this

oxygen mass that sealed my face with no air coming to it waa and I took that test and I tested at 152 no way so scored higher I scored way higher under stress and that's when my concept for comfort and Chaos began to form and I was like oh like I'm a different person I'm like see things more clearly like I see the code or what whatever like under stress it's like things make more sense to me anybody watching this is probably Thinking this is a very unique recruiting process for the military this isn't like

going online submitting an application what did you end up getting recruited for so I ended up getting recruited to a brand new program that was called GP which was a guaranteed training uh education program I believe is what the acronym was at the time and for me this was a a 10-year contract that would Fast Track me through Special Operations training through the Department of the Air Force uh through a career field at the time called combat control it's still called combat control and what's interesting for people to probably know which moving forward keep this

in the back of your mind is that you know the Air Force is this agency that's straddled the blue black line let's call it uh since its Inception in 1947 like two weeks after Roswell incident you get the National Security Act you get the formation of the Air Force CIA at the same time Department of Defense and the Air Force has been that agency that straddled the blue black line ever since and just to be clear for the audience the blue black line the blue is the kind of uh Open Source White World out in

the open black world is you know highly cleared sensitive stuff is that is that right yeah I think the good way to think about it is the black world that we operate in is like a four dimensional projection into A three-dimensional World it has its presence here and there's indications of it but you're not going to get it because so much of what you're seeing is tied and connected to other things through um through another dimension you're not paying attention to and that's that's how this exists that's how we exist and that's how we manipulate

reality and truth and get away with things that people don't understand that is unbelievable you Sound like Carl Sean describing platonic ibing an elite military unit yeah what I need to make very clear is um although I was prospected into combat control I became something very different and that was simply my Gateway into the program so I signed a contract for combat control in 1994 and uh shipped off to basic training in Texas after completing basic training at uh Lain Air Force Base Texas I then was shipped out to a a place called Opel rating

location hotel Which we called olh and this was a selection for Air Force Special Warfare combat control PA rescue and although I had been pre-screened and signed this crazy 10-year contract that guaranteed this 17-year-old kid two and a half years of specialized training which to understand how um incredible that is is traditionally or I should say historically for special Warfare or Special Operations like military wide you you don't get into those programs Without first being enlisted and then earning your selection and being recommended for special units and then even once you're in those special units

what specialized schools you go to is is not guaranteed and it happens over a period of time so after I graduated selection uh which which is the initial phase of weeding out candidates it's about a 4-week course at uh ol um we had a class about 89 people I remember and nine of uh my original Classmates graduated together from that class and then we shipped off to the to what we call the pipeline which is our our our tra our trade schools where we learn our Craft um somewhere early on in the the pipeline I

was approached by two individuals who convinced me that um it' be a good idea if I became an airplane mechanic and um can you say anything more about those two individuals uh one of them was clearly Gay um which was interesting because I quite enjoyed the talk I thought it was fun um and for some reason I've always been really compatible with gay men much to their disappointment because I'm very straight as an narrow with my sexual orientation but so there's that I can share that and they had sold me on the idea deflection they

um you know they sold me on this idea and ultimately what it was I knew I was doing something different and special and you have to understand in the 90s the op Tempo was really low yeah and everyone kind of knew like you you would go through your training but a lot of guys that once they made it to their teams were kind of like dude let's go let's go to war and there was no war and so a lot of people were getting out tired of just training and what was kind of sold to

this young crazy kid Jacob Barber was that you're going to get to Do things others aren't going to get to do there is a lot going on that we'd like to use you for but you first have to go do this thing for us and that is learning how to be an airplane mechanic so I'm like okay I then shipped off to airplane mechanic school upon completing that I reported directly to pop Air Force Base in North Carolina um when I was there you know I spent a lot of time turning wrenches on the on

the flight line as a mechanic but Outside of that I spent all my time training was that a hazing ritual or would that that come in handy with what you were ultimately going to like like just learning to become an airplane mechanic no it was my cover okay so my cover was working as an airplane mechanic uh I came in during the Clinton era and that's no coincidence that had a lot to do with this program and what I became come to find out um I spent a lot of time deploying on those type of

Missions and support of President Clinton I can explain I can go into detail there a little bit I was involved D in Bosnia I deployed to Bosnia um I was involved in the liberation of Kuwait had a lot of combat time but ultimately what I was being refined for was a red teamer um I became a red team expert red team you could think of is an opposition force in fact that's that's exactly what we call it as op four opposition force and uh red team's job in any scenario is To exploit all the weaknesses

of blue team and find the vulnerabilities and then use those against Blue Team um so in an exercise we would participate where the militaries blue forces or or traditional forces would deploy their tactics and then we would be set out to play the opponent or the enemy and we're given Liberty boundless Liberty on how to just go and [ __ ] up their life like try and make their life hell you get to be creative think outside the box Innovate ways and find holes in our systems so we'd go out and it was a lot

of fun and we'd find ways to completely disrupt the standard operating procedures of units and then in exercises um that were Global and dealt very closely with other subject matter related to UAP we're involved with those and had to come up with innovative ways to um to be adversarial towards our own forces and I I found out that like My four eyes that I explained earlier were tools of war and you know anyone that's read The Art of War you know what's the first rule in The Art of War do you know yeah what is

the first rule deception deception deception is the first rule in The Art of War is to deceive and to always act like something you're not now I think about it that's probably alarming coming from me right now ask how do we guy is full of [ __ ] yeah yeah Yeah how do we know you're not red teaming us right now well you don't you don't know that I'm you really don't that was an honest answer yeah you don't know that so I and all I can do I expect to get asked that a lot

is like you know I'll paraphrase a book from Matthew I think it is like you will know me by my fruits and so just pay attention to what's happened and you can evaluate the impact of what I'm doing yeah and and that's all you can do well that's an Amazing message for the audience too which is they should corroborate the things that you're saying through their own open source research yeah and if it if it validates checks they should they should think for themselves and not just you know take all us for our word willy-nilly

you mentioned other things being sort of adjacent to UFO or UAP retrievals what were the other things you were doing as part of this group um while while enlisted I did a lot of Security and escort of hvts which are called high value targets so I help the NATO top secret security clearance um at times when I needed to and was manifested to classified flights where we would be dispatched we would secure targets and transport those targets and deliver them to other places and then hand them off to other teams um these targets most of

the time were like sealed containers um we called them mystery Boxes I couldn't tell you what was inside um it could be a variety of things there was a variety of sizes something you know small enough that could fit on a helicopter something large enough that it had to be put on a C5 Galaxy uh sometimes it had to be trucked sometimes it had to be taken in pieces but it was always put in the little mystery boxes um one one thing that should be noted is that one of these missions I was Involved in

I got very sick afterwards and um lost every hair on my body skin peeled off my arms I was nauseous um and I was it was obvious in hindsight that I was exposed most likely to some form of radiation um and this really upsets some people when I tell this story especially friends like uh Dr Gary Nolan who's who helps me with with this issue now um but real quick just for the audience Gary Nolan is a Stanford microbiologist he's a Nobel nominee every year he's tenured there and he's incredibly in the UFO subject in

fact he claims to have and I've seen them actually crash retrieval parts from his friend who's a long time kind of The Godfather of UFO research a guy named jacqu ble and Gary does Mass spectrometry on them but he also was approached by the CIA and I think 2016 is uh around people who have uh encountered UAP nhi and the biological Effects that they've incurred and that's that's an nature of my relationship with Gary so Dr Nolan uh yeah I I now I'm still suffering from that experience most likely and subsequent experiences and but it's

only now that I'm getting proper care because of how I want to say this because I don't want to make the Air Force out to be this evil irresponsible entity because as much as they are they also aren't in this one circumstance I don't believe They knew what we were dealing with this is why I think that one incident and looking back with 2020 Vision hindsight you know it's likely that was also related to the UAP topic because had we known what was in that box we would have there would we have a protocol for

dealing with nuclear Hazmat and and none of that was in place and I still got exposed so I think something in that box that were you carrying the Box no we don't car it's too heavy it's it's Loaded on the craft we escort you escorted it we escort it and we protect it with authority to use deadly forces and it was emitting that much radiological energy I think it got turned on at some point which is another interesting thing like how did it come on while we were in air like it turned on or turned

off or there was some level of Fallout I really don't know um what makes you think that it was a UAP or UFO And not like an electromagnetic pulse like some of these exotic Weaponry that emit radiological energy yeah well emps are different a lot of the hpms are safe to be around um you're not you're not going to get high doses of gamma radiation by exposing yourself to an EMP but um I would just say let's not get too much into this night in this Mission without getting into trouble but I'll just tell you

that the I don't blame the Air Force or Anyone for how that was handled except with the exception of the fact of seeking medical treatment afterwards I couldn't talk about what had happened so therefore the causation was really difficult for doctors to to like to come up with there was there was symptomology without causation and I was treated for things that weren't necessarily consistent with radiation poisoning and I healed up from it um what were all the symptoms That you experienced so like I end up now I mean I have a heart murmur that I

never had before wow okay so my heart's messed up uh again I lost all the hair on my body I look like just a albino lizard dude like no pubic hair no eyebrows no nose hair which I wish was still the case but whatever one benefit yeah one benefit no ear hair no nose hair um I had rashes uh my immune system seems compromized in some way I can't explain I I just have random uh autoimmune disorders and um and so this this where Gary has come in handy is that he's reviewed my medical records

and we're trying to make sense of 20 years of things that have happened and how it how more so like you know forget the past like moving forward my concern is that there's some you know hidden Gremlin that's going to show up later in life and we're going to be way behind on how to deal with you know cancer or whatever I hate to throw that term around knock on wood man yeah so um but so that incident just to get back to the subject can I can I ask you one more question about what

happened when Gary took a look at your you know physical chart and the symptoms did he say they accorded with other UFO experiencers yeah you did specifically what's the guy from rendle sham forest in 1980 uh John buroughs John burough and Jim penniston John bur had had Similar symptoms that I did and had similar issues with VA records as I did so he also had scarring in his dorsal striatum he had scarring in his kodate nucleus and pment yeah did you have that I haven't I still have to get my comprehensive MRIs like I haven't

had a brain MRI that's revealed that but I but I do know he had a heart issue yeah we have the same heart issue oh wow didn't exist before in either of us that was the one thing that Gary shared and it Was you know similar similar situation with the records but and for for context for for people the renal Forest incident was I think 1980 yeah where it was a a Suffolk Royal Air Force bent Waters and it was you had Jim penniston burrow all these guys who were they saw this like Light in

the Forest is that right dude that one incident this is that we were talking earlier about how things get lost over time in this environment how keyed up we are right now for proof and There's a lot of attention on this if that incident if bentwaters happened today or tomorrow case would be closed like that single incident has all the proof and evidence that you need that this thing is real from a public perspective from a firsthand witness from a government response and coverup like it's there it's close book L Lord Norton who is the

um head of the naval fleet for for the entire uh UK yeah saying that this you know was a was a Thing this this happened and it simply isn't any good ministers and the ministry of Defense in particular saying that nothing that took place that December night in suffk is of Defense interest it simply isn't true and you had uh uh Colonel Charles halt as well do do an investigation afterwards and everything checked no OSI shows up and plane hvt escort teams show up haul everything away people are sworn to secrecy people are are drugged

during Interrogation post uh interrogation of the I mean they they're given truth serum they're given sodium pentathol so that they basically give like a an extremely explicit readout of what actually occurred and that itself didn't take place in a vacuum you have a great book called UFOs and nukes by a guy named Robert Hastings Hastings 167 ICBM security Personnel radar operators uh guys that work at these nuclear bases across the United States and in some Cases their joint nuclear bases in in UK and other places and they all experience these thing these these orbs discs

plasma balls crazy sorts of things in certain cases they claim to have boarded crafts uh yeah if anybody if anybody out there wants a good starting point if to to take an on-ramp into this subject matter I recommend going to the what was called the citizens hearings in 2013 it's on YouTube it's a it's a full week of What's essentially a mock Congressional hearing where they brought in there's over 20 hours of testimony over 5 days um at that time everyone from Academia government military enthusiasts all all those areas that have expertise and experience is

documented and they come and they testify in a very professional formal setting uh before I think uh former and current Congressional members and they lay it all out it's the whole history and Um bentwaters incident is covered in there something about that is irritating because it's like okay where all the whistleblowers let's wait until they come out like no they've come out they have come out like take the time if if you want to form a vehement argument that's anti whatever this subject is put in the work to go look like like Ross's book in

plain sight there's so much that's already in plain sight that's already happened it's in plain sight Jake have you retrieved d a non-human craft yes I have okay let's get into that all right what's the story behind that um man so here we go so after 911 uh I went back to California and I began uh going to work on the next chapter of my life which is working as a contractor for the broader intelligence uh community and so uh everyone else after 911 was looking East with vengeance and the Special Operations Community went crazy

which kind of Served as like the perfect distraction for me in my work because nobody was looking domestically nobody was looking out west and we continued to do our work out here and I I quite literally took a left turn at Albuquerque to quote Bugs Bunny I knew I should have taken that left turn at Albuquerque and uh worked on U we had a a cover contract through the Bia which is a Bureau of Indian Affairs at a Sovereign Nation close to White Sands uh Missile Range in New Mexico and um and and lest the

audience be skeptical of this left turn into you know uh Indian reservations there's actually a long history of the American intelligence community's activity on Indian reservations if you actually you can watch a really popular Netflix show right now called The Octopus murders involves all sorts of activity with wackin Hut you know private security contractor on Native American lands and It's it's a somewhat common thing so well it's a good place to go if uh you know there's a lot of security and ambiguity there from a structure standpoint and something important to understand is that the

legitimacy is the best cover this is something we say all the time so if I'm if I'm going to put my public face or my my structured face or my three dimensional identity out there it's got to be a legitimate work and I spend most of my Time doing that so um I specialize in security and transportation mostly in uh aeronautical operations even more specifically helicopters I'm basically a helicopter operations expert and security expert so uh I stood up and got involved with um helicopter operating companies and held many contracts with the DOD Department of

interior um state department and other other local uh agencies as well and Through that work we basically although the majority of our time was spent doing the day-to-day work and keeping that business up and going our real purpose was to make ourselves available for the call let's say or the calls that would come in and we would be put to work on Pro on missions for the program and because of my experience working as a red team member and already having the clearances and already having proved myself I don't know how to say it other

Than you know certain individuals were passing my business card around and it's a lot of work maintaining aptitude and currency and a variety of skills and legitimate civilian licenses and things and credentials what's what's your title at this point like do you have a title are you a full kind of ghost I mean I'm I'm a I'm a lot of things like so I don't know how to answer that like I mean I mean at this point with you know take a left turn to Albuquerque dealing With the Department of interior what's your job title

at that uh director of operations for a helicopter company wow yeah crazy yeah interesting yeah so I'm director of operations for a helicopter company um I'm program director for Gracie jiujitsu NorCal I'm uh I'm a flight instructor for law enforcement for Airborne law enforcement agency um I held a lot of titles I'm Also I'm the president of a corporation that has uh manufacturers wheelchair patented wheelchair parts for the veterans hospital I service um fitness centers on a number of key military bases that if I named them they'd make a lot of sense to you so

I'm a lot of different things yeah you're like Uber driver in LA but way more badass I like think I'm more badass than an Uber driver at this point I there are some Badass the most insane multi hyen it ever but at this so at this point having all these different potential covers is what's actually serving you and what you're doing because you could you could be a flight instructor at this company or you could be just like directing operations for some Transportation can you say anything about the companies that you worked for in the

context of these us crash retrieval um look man if you took two guesses you'd get both of Them right on the first try there you go at the end of the day like I'm just a security and transportation guy especially when it gets to the UAP subject it's like we did a lot of helicopter work and law enforcement and security work it's not like the like like we understand the idea of a paramedic sitting over here uh in an ambulance waiting for a call who specializes in emergency Medical Response it's like we're not sitting there

as a crash recovery team with our little CR patch on our chest and our little alien like uh dice hanging from the rearview mirror of the helicopter we're ready to roll when the alien phone rings crash no it's like we're doing other [ __ ] and like we're going to go out and we do a lot of recovery it's not just exotic craft we recover all kinds of things want a call would come in typically ad Meant we were going out to what I call the range which is in the desert of California and we

would be there to support from a a security and transportation standpoint the operations out there uh the range was a giant playground for Department of Defense and its private Aerospace partners for testing weapons technology radar technology uh craft experimental craft and that crafts resilience to radar and weapons technology and vice versa um it Was during this work uh when uh um I can talk I'm here to talk about two different experiences with exotic craft that was non-human in origin um and it was during some of this time out on the Range when I had these

experiences first experience I'm going to talk about is when we recovered an a and we just call it the egg cuz that's what it was it's like a giant white egg um the night that this happened we weren't expecting an egg I wasn't briefed on an egg uh when This happened it was a surprise to everyone I can tell you within uh not only my leadership structure which is most concerning when they're surprised but also everyone around me on my team um when this happened we had to go we we uh altered our communication protocol

we altered our security protocol and it was obvious to everyone that what we were dealing with was something extraordinary um my job that night was as a helicopter pilot I was not on the ground I was Called in to uh transport that egg via external load what we call external load or through a long line which is 150 foot sometimes 200 foot long line that hangs below the helicopter it has a remote hook on it that remote hook can be attached to Hardware that secures the load and then we fly that load away to a

drop point and from there it goes wherever it's going to go on a secure transport did you see this egg I saw it absolutely what it look like um it's Probably 20 ft plus or minus I don't know uh 10% from my point of view you know I was 150 ft from it had 150 foot long line that night hovered right over it hooked up to it it looked like a giant 20t longitudinally yeah 20 ft longitudinally spherical with a little bit of an asymmetrical three-dimensional rounding shape to it is like a pearly white like

uh I don't know if it was wet or moist but it wasn't like flat white it was like pearly white granted this is At at night at this point it was uh after Civil Twilight so it's dark um I'm flying under nvgs but there was enough uh lunar illumination that I could see it with the naked eye what's an nvg uh night vision goggle so it's an enhanced Omni electronic uh system that uh takes into account uh IR light but you could see it outside I could see it I could flip my goggles up and

see it and flip my goggles down and see it it was secured With Nets basically it was secured with Nets NS and somebody wrapped Nets around it somebody on your team yeah someone on the ground team wow and did they sort of touch the craft while they were wrapping Nets the team there must have touched it yeah and did they experience any effects did they say of I didn't talk much it was compartmentalization on steroids that night so uh we didn't I didn't debrief with the ground crew much there's a few guys on the ground

crew That we've talked to since um but a lot of the details of everyone's experience you know weren't shared necessarily any other core details about the crap the weight any symbology on it no I mean it was smooth seamless no symbology uh I could tell you it was less than 5,000 lbs because that was the capacity of my helicopter at that time um I don't remember exactly what it weighed you know when I when we fly in to to recover a load or to pick anyway use the term Pick which is I'm going to connect

and haul something off no matter what it is I I get a briefing on the way in as to uh what my load is going to be I get disclosed its approximate weight um dimensions and then I get a Hazmat disclosure as to whether or not there's any Hazmat on board or if there are any Souls on board which is life forms um that night there was no disclosure for HazMat or Souls on board or what we call S sobs Souls on on board and it was just An object and um yeah took it uh

to a drop point which was about 15 miles away and um set it down very carefully and it was hauled off somewhere and that was the end of it why do you think it landed on a human flight testing range I could see a skeptic in the audience saying oh awfully convenient that you're standing right next to wherever you guys are operating yeah well it wasn't next it actually went off the range which was Added to part of our Challenge and I can't tell you where it landed but it was tracked and intercepted over the

range and by the time it finally interfaced with the ground it was off the playground which complicated our recovery would another possible answer to that be that uaps are attracted to sensitive military sites we know exactly what they're attracted to and we um we intentionally attract them and I when I say we uh anyone That's out playing around with this kind of stuff knows that there are things that they are attracted to uh whether or not that was intentional that was the the primary objective that night I don't know I can tell you that that

night there was another team present that I know of that uh deal deals with the summoning component of data collection and uh that team's intention usually is or known to be associated with uh summoning or Getting a UAP or nonhuman craft to show up question from the audience yeah uh was the egg sitting upright when you pulled up on it oh it was flat yeah horizontal did it appear like a crashed or did it land and it didn't look messed up to me and there was no Disturbed Earth around it it's not like it toe

picked in or like you know dug in yeah I I guess just like I don't know when I when I'm hearing the story a big giant 20 foot Egg how do you know that's nonhuman intelligence okay that's great question so I'm I've got um I've got three different reasons or criteria for for determining that it was in hi one relying on myself as a expert of not only what flies around in our skies but even at the extreme of Advanced Technologies and capabilities within the US government at the highest level in Private Industry and seeing

those things Fly around and operate at the range all the time and this is why it was kind of a process for me up until very shortly after the egg because still the night of the egg it's just like you get called in everyone's a little nervous but it's so real when you look at it it's like it's not like in the in the background you're hearing oh and there's this light from heaven like you grew up on movies it's like this is an epic moment where's the crescendo of it's like no there's just Flying

a helicopter come over Ridge there's an egg sitting there and dudes sitting around on the ground flashing you walk calling you in while you're flying your hook I'm like where's like the where's all the intensity it's like it's so blatant and in your face and so real it can almost it doesn't register as exciting you know in that format now I'm sure the experience of running into an alien in your bedroom is not that way but I've never Had that experience so I don't know but um what I'm getting at is you know for me

it was a process up to there because so many things we see in the sky out at the range are Fantastical it's like you see see things change shape change color come in to sight go out of sight travel at extreme speeds appear to go and come from the Earth or the mountain or a ridge um and you just assume most of the time that what you're seeing is our own Advanced Tech or cloaking systems or Projections or uh light artifacts of weapon systems um and then you've just got from you know just from being

outside at night in the desert which I could invite anyone to go spend some time out night just looking up with your dumb human eyeballs and you're going to see some weird stuff so I we've seen a lot of stuff and that night number one it was not expected so if it was human um there would have been a much different response to it um there would Have been some expectation that what we were working at on that night may have may have not responded well to the radar that was being thrown at it and

we would have expected a crash and like okay we would have been trained on how to deal with that no one was trained on how to deal with that and everybody acted really weird so then there's that localized response that was anomalous um and if there's any human on earth that's going to know what that is And how to deal with it it would have been me and my team and we didn't know there's no one else that like oh [ __ ] I need to call in the specialized team look behind me I see

a picture of myself like that's it okay so like I'm the guy subsequent to that it was also confirmed Med to me by ranking members of the UAP task force that that is exactly what we ran into that night that that was nhi and they they told me bluntly that yes that is a non-human anomalous Craft um The last or the third reason reasoning I'll give you is that since we've left the program and reorganized and are now working with arrow I can make the egg show up and we have and we've demonstrated it post

program and we did it in August oh my God in broad daylight really so so you can summon that yes we can summon the egg that is absurd it it seems absurd but we've tracked in broad daylight the egg uh moving at 10,000 miles hour so based on Range um and it Comes when we've at a precise timing when we've asked for we're doing demonstrations for the new director of Arrow they're fully they've seen our videos they've seen our data and our report and arrow is the all domain anomaly resolution resolutions office yeah we have

classes of UAP there's a number of classes and categories that we um how many uh more than eight do you know more than eight yes can you list them no no um maybe soon we can going Back to the retrieval so I'm saying this and not you because you don't want to you know reveal anything classified I've done deep Dives on on American anti-gravity research elect exotic electromagnetic propulsion and I even just interviewed the former deputy CTO of northr Grumman um who was actually part of the UAP task force the Army representative guy named Carl

Nell and I said you know is any of this crazy UFO stuff investable or Actionable we were speaking to a room full of entrepreneurs and he said go just watch Jesse's video on uh Thomas towns and brown okay and so to me that is as much confirmation as we're ever probably going to get for a little bit at least on the idea that we do have exotic propulsion human craft in our possession so is there anything else that gives you conviction that let me let me go into that so let me go into the analysis

that Was the presented to arol and why they're why they consider it nhi so best way to explain this we set out specifically to um summon the egg and uh record gather sensor data on the egg at the moment we expected or um elicited the egg it shows up moving so fast we couldn't see with the naked eye another object also showed up at that time that our um our our guy operating our op our Top Observer saw this object it burnt the sensor in his camera and we had another camera luckily that was also

recording but um where the first object showed up the sensor was damaged behind that the egg flies by um in dead silence makes a turn and comes around in to land and disappears behind the house so that wasn't done when we did that most recent exercise that wasn't done on the Range in coordination with the dod or any Private Partners it was done with me and the team we've assembled since then and you with we have all the tools and talents and techniques that we did in the Legacy program and now we're doing them on

our own and when you say Legacy program Legacy UFO program yeah maybe you know Legacy is kind of a loaded term but um I would say in everyone's prior scope of work and career Fields they've worked uh in they've worked in Capacity and have had these experiences and now but doing it um on the payroll and under the NDA obligations of the federal government private Partners a lot of us have left those those jobs I'm no longer doing that work I'm no longer connected in the same way I want I was and since then we've

formed our own organization and we have all the tools and talent that um we had back then but we have it in a private Venture and we're doing our own exploration and Who's we we is a skywatcher Technologies is a company we formed what you're basically saying at a fundamental level is I think one of the biggest critiques of the UFO phenomena is that it's completely ephemeral and you're saying it's actually repeatable because every oh science science needs to be repeatable not wrap your knuckles on it like some of the stuff is like I'm not

kidding like a physical craft time I drop this pen it's going to you know hit The ground and what you're saying is that every time you do these sort of summoning techniques and then there's like a a more physical version Luis alzando whistleblower who was involved in the assap program uh writes in his book that they contemplating baiting uh UFOs with nuclear material so that's something that's kind of Open Source and in public record it's not all tangible drop the pin it hits the ground that's why there are eight or more classes of UAP um

in RW because it ranges from the supernatural like groundbased Paranormal phenomenon to what looks like objects in the sky and Gary Nolan he's on our team he's been there in the desert when we've summoned the egg wow in broad daylight so you brought Gary Nolan out yeah he he's part of our new so so a Nobel nominated Stanford Professor has seen this occur he's he's born witness to this he didn't see it with his own eyes because no one did it was moving too Fast but he's seen the report report and our sensor data sensor

data afterwards all this information that I'm giving you including our reports has all been given to arrow and we can get into that but uh th this incident and the future incidents that have happened that we're going to talk about um you know in The Last 5 Years all of this has been disclosed to uh you know I've spent a lot of time speaking one thing I wanted to do was to do this the right way was To give our institutions and our authorities a chance to hear this stuff first and to reconcile it and

to do the right thing with it and they primarily give me guidance on what to do with it moving forward so you know everything I'm telling you um and more has been shared with Congress in uh in a in a skiff in a top secret uh tsci um environment where I've given testimony real quick a skip is a secure compartmentalized information facility Basically a fair day cage no no no signals in or out no um and then ts's top secret compartmentalized information yeah secure compartment yes and what's funny I don't I mean I'm a kid

from the 70s but if remember the show Mor from orc Mor and Mindy Robin Williams was his one of his first roles he wore the suspenders The Story Goes and they show it in the preview of that show and it's part of every show is this white egg he Flew to Earth in this white egg and at night I think he would like go to sleep in this egg and she'd be like good night and he'd go be like nanu nanu and he'd go sleep in this ache and I'm like bro like how much of

our culture is like is that did someone know well the the egg as a form has shown up a few times in quote unquote ufology you have Lonnie Zamora sakuro New Mexico 1964 where he's this police officer he sees this egg Actually land sees burnt vegetation in the area James Fox made this amazing movie called moment of contact everybody in this little town in Brazil reports seeing an egg landing and it seems to be emitting this sort of like ammonia like thing and even seems to kill a doctor it's pretty pretty crazy so the egg

thing does show up that's one thing I just wanted to mention like sometimes I feel like truth is actually Stranger Than Fiction and a lot of times like These these uh Tales the stories are are influenced by by something we've seen in real life or heard about or sounded too crazy to actually believe and one thing I've been looking at in this um space is the commonalities between what people are seeing and you just described there being eight or more different types of uaps and the egg is something we've seen throughout history and seen throughout

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then your crash retrieval Endeavors and I'm I'm having trouble understanding that's a really good how helicopter pilot is also doing this other thing and what what the correlation is I mean So Within the 10 plus years since I first retrieved a craft in non-human origin where I was just serving as a dumb helicopter pilot like what the hell is going on a lot has happened since then I mean we've had the disclosure movement kick off um but recoveries that we could talk about were very emotional to me um because there was a Consciousness component to

that and I felt I felt that there was something conscious about the Craft um during the recovery process That had tapped into me and was disruptive in the most beautiful way in my ability to operate a helicopter and almost led to me punching this craft off and creating a whole another crash sh like in between I picked it up and dropped it off what what what is this instance you want describe um this is the other one I can talk about called the eight gon which is basically a disc a flying disc with eight individual

sections when viewed from above and on This particular night uh I got my normal readout for the load and this time it included a Hazmat disclosure for biologics so that typically meant you know Souls on board is a disclosure I would get if there were living bodies humans um who's who's giving that readout as to whether they're bodies guys on the ground so the guys that manif and they don't say B bodies they just say uh Hazmat have you ever seen a Body not I've never seen an alien body I've seen plenty of human bodies

and recovered human bodies in the same way and it's a standard disclosure so when I was flying in I thought that's what I was dealing with as like oh [ __ ] the pilot crashed on the Range and we're hauling off you know body parts your your colleagues have seen bodies non-human intelligence bodies you'd have to ask them okay and so in this case you see this Eight gone craft this kind of octagon yeah as I'm flying towards it I get the readout on what it is and um I was trained as a pilot a

long time ago and the last 20 years that's I've served more as a as a pilot than I have as a a ground crew member or in any other capacity and the primary thing I've done is has been a helicopter air operations expert so on most of these missions I'm working from the cockpit or the helicopter and so the ground crew is a Separate crew that gets dispatched and they're dealing with Hazmat security containment uh setting up a a perimeter and an entry control point and observation like they're doing all that I sit back at

a separate location I get GPS cord ordinance at the very last second I get dispatched I go there and then uh in route from very short range out maybe 5 minutes out I get red a description of what it is I'm picking up this night I get an approximate size and Dimension and then I get Negative Souls on board and a Hazmat disclosure uh for biologics for biological hazmats I'm like oh great somebody crashed someone's Dead all right so as I'm getting close to this craft how big is the craft again it's not that big

probably 25 30 ft but it's like a it's like a disc this maybe the size of this concrete slab here like this one's dark gray like a dark matte gray or black from what I could tell I was getting very little light signature Off of just the hard angles of the of the sections but the eight sections like the intersection between the spine and then some of the texture that existed in those panels in between um and still like there's nothing about this inherently that it's like that could be one of our crafts I me

where where is this by the way California desert okay similar location similar yeah very similar and um but as I'm flying and I get closer to this Craft um it's well first of all it's quiet when I say quiet it was quiet on the radios at that time but my mind wasn't quiet I start having this very emotional experience um it's almost man I haven't explained it this way before but it's like when you feel like you're about to throw up but you're not sure you're like am I going to throw up am I oh

no I'm good I'm like no it's going to happen Like it was like that but not a a nausea it was like an emotional escalation that started inside of me that seemed completely for and the closer I got to the object the more emotional I got it sad or ominous or how would you describe it was it was it was beautiful it was a beautiful feeling [ __ ] but it's so weird it's like that uh it's like that minor chord as a kid it's like that sad Beauty it's like A a first a minor

third and a fifth it was beautiful but there was a sadness to it did it communicate anything I I didn't get a message other than like I just felt like I was in the presence of my mother it was like a feminine energy that was loving and sad and I don't know what it was but the closer I got the more intense it got I hooked up as I'm flying back to the drop site I'm like completely overwhelmed I'm like Balling my eyes out flying a helicopter at night like trying not to run into mountains

and [ __ ] and I'm like oh my God this is not good then I'm like am I I don't and I didn't want to tell anyone about this because I'm like then I'm not fit to fly um and I'm like am I am I stressed am I sleeped ever too much cortisol estrogen pumped through my veins you know what's going on and then as I get close I make It there I safely get it popped off and and then as I fly away it goes away I I just want to paint the picture for

people here cuz it's like you're flying a helicopter at night using night vision you have no you you're like in in pretty intense terrain yeah you're carrying something that is like messing with your Consciousness as you're doing one of the hardest you're flying one of the hardest objects ever made yeah um like have had you ever been in a situation where you Had something interfere with you on a conscious like it doesn't feel like a a very common experience that have what was most disturbing to me is being someone who prides themselves on like comfort

and Chaos like I've had every other thing try and [ __ ] with me while I'm flying at night like so much distraction intensity and life or death situations and I'm cool with it but this messed me up man it messed me up and there was a psionics team working that Night um and so I don't know whether you know it's one of two things like either there was there was something with a very powerful Talent inside of that thing that was connecting its Soul or Spirit to me as I was flying or one of

the psionic assets got its Consciousness trapped in that thing and somehow was communicating through me and so what what are psionic assets um when we look at collecting Data one of the areas that we look to collect data is through a psionic asset which is an individual who's trained in remote viewing um psychic abilities telekinesis that type of thing which is basically through a number of different um protocols can transition into a place where they are highly sensitive to their environment from from the point of view of Consciousness through a Consciousness Field and that is

not a woo woo topic I I'm just throwing it in but it's so matter of fact to me that it it's the same as saying night vision goggles like it's there we use it and it's worked both on the it's used both on the summoning side and the data collection side so you're saying humans summon these U humans there are two types of summoning that can be done that we've proven works and we're still working with uh there's machine-based summoning Systems and there's man-based summoning systems uh machine based summoning systems are uh without going into

details are signals um and uh energy systems that can be turned on or activated uh that summon UAP activity or that UAP UAP are attracted to and I say again remembering what UAP means it's a very broad term it's uh unidentified Anomalous phenomenon so identified anomalous [ __ ] shows up that's pretty broad category now in order to be effective at serving as a PA you could think of Consciousness as a field don't think of it as this superficial woo woo thing like it's literally like like the worldwide web it's like the internet um it's

always there we can't see it it's full of in information and exciting things but point to it I don't see it here y right so where is it you have to Be able to tap into it you need something like a Wi-Fi signal to get there so individuals that have this gift are people that have been trained and have the talent to serve as a Wi-Fi to tap into the Consciousness field where everything in the universe seems to exist or have its presence and once you can do that now you're in an environment where while

we're having other multiple forms of sens the data in place if a UAP shows up is it registering in the Consciousness field that our PA asset is connected to through the Wi-Fi and the Wi-Fi is this process of getting into mindful meditation um so two things are happening in that process or protocol of serving as a PA lowering intellect increasing intuition and then reintroducing intellect at a higher level as an observer not as a driver how do you do that well you're either born with a gift or you go through you spend 30 years as

A Shaolin monk and figure out how to do it the hard way there are easier easier ways there are cheats and some of the cheats that have been experimented with are things that have not fared well for those involved in the program including children and I'll talk about them so how do we how do we heighten intuition well you do it through stress inoculation you do it through triggering flight or or fight ORF flight uh biology systems in our body so of the most Powerful things you can do is trigger that on like if it

ain't broke don't fix it don't reinvent the will the human mind and body is already something so spectacular we don't understand it I don't know why it works but if you can trigger flight or fight all these things get activated and intuition does so stress inoculation is one you got to hijack the amydala and boom you put someone there you need to do that to heighten intuition while subduing Intellect how do you do that you subdue the intellect by disassociation iation so there are chemical ways to uh induce disassociation there are uh more um proactive

ways that you could do yourself like through meditation but all in all those are the two things you do to get into that state well kids are naturally way more visceral in both of those things they're naturally more intuitive their intellect is lower there is one more thing that you have to do to Even enter that and that deals with the other eye in Instinct so your instincts have to be satisfied at this time so that just means you have to be comfortable can't be hungry can't be horny can't be tired can't be worried about

your your survival you can't be cold you can't be hot so all that has to be taken care of so the limic part of your brain is not like freaking out while the prefinal cortex whatever part of the brain it is that's more Responsible for the hardware that helps you connect to the to the Consciousness internet is so satisfy the Instinct heighten the intellect or suppress the intellect heighten the intuition add back in the intellect at a high level boom you're in it now there's another way that that we do and that's through Hardware so

you could do software chemical drugs to in order to get stress inoculation and disassociation or you can do Hardware um one of the guys on Our team um has made a breakthrough recently and uses a system which is basically um a non-intrusive uh ultrasound system that can Target the brain and induce or at least take a lot of the edge and the struggle out of transitioning into that state and so he's he's one of the guys that works in our new organization that is assisting us with reproducing and demonstrating all of this stuff that has

gone on over the decades in the program That comes with all this baggage and secrecy and stuff and we're trying to leave all that behind and do it now in this uh in This Clean and Free environment where we have autonomy as a private organization working in partnership with government organizations and in and educational institutions to put this out there once and for all and you know in that effort we feel this is a much more humane way and everyone that works with us is doing So on a volunteer basis but how the ultrasound works

is it can Target it can get through the skull and it can Target parts of the brain to help you transition out of intellect and into your intuition um and the mostly the experimentation that is done and the testing that is done in order to find the people that can serve in this role is done through a random number generator so he rans a runs a random number generator program and then has The subject sit there and and hopefully I'm not butchering ing this whole process of how he tests it but um has the subject

then has the ultrasound equipment run into the brain the Consciousness is activated through lowering intuition heightening intuition and lowering intellect and now the individual can impose its will on this random number generator that's running in a computer and can cause the number to move up if he wants or causes it to Move down in context for the audience a random number generator is basically a graphical interface that shows ones and zeros it's a binary computer and it's tied to something that is conventionally thought of as random in quantum mechanics so radioactive isotope Decay a photon

bouncing around a little box and so it's a perfect digital coin flip over a long enough time scale you should have expect the same amount of ones and zeros with maybe a small standard deviation Yeah and if you're saying that through stress inoculation and dissociation or through this Hardware technique somebody can in a statistically significant way affect that it's called a zcore in this random event event generator so you get more ones or more zeros you're basically saying that that person has more ability to render their reality and effect that more of a mind over

matter effect through Consciousness they can affect Reality of that which is nuts that's C it doesn't take and here's the crazy thing even if they in that test because zero or Flatline or the the middle line is the reality right so even if someone could get it to deviate the most minuscule number any deviation is infinitely mindblowing because because it's that good of a test because there should be no deviation so any deviation should be good and what happens is crazy because as it starts once the subject Looks over and realizes they're being successful they're

like oh [ __ ] I'm moving the thing then it's all and it drops back down and they got to go back into it and then you'll see the the spike the trend the Vector of the trend over the report moves up and down and when they kind of come out of it realize they're moving it it goes back down and then it almost becomes exponential they just they blast it out of proportion a close friend and mentor of mine used to Specialize in this experiment at Princeton their Paris psychology lab or the the pair

lab where they studied all sorts of anomalous you know stuff and he would call this the rebound effect and you can analogize it with you know you're uh playing basketball and you're making a bunch of shots or whatever and then all a you become you know conscious of it and then you have this Snapback effect and it's in life generally people have these sort of upward momentum Streaks and then they come you know crashing down and there's always this sort of local mean reversion yeah and so it's it's wild to see that actually exemplified in

the form of an experiment so as fun as that is and we could sit here and talk about that all day and just take people off like there's a real practical application for that so I'm just saying that to say like this is a real thing what we do you put someone in out there that's trained to do that and You support them with the right support system and environment and then you're also out there with the right data collection equipment to not only monitor their experience to make sure they're s self and health are

safe and healthy and not getting hurt but you're also correlating it to your other measure it's a measuring device for us that's what this whole crazy thing about taking a psionic asset putting them in our our work Suite which is like a faraday cage Um and getting them involved is just to add a six seven eth piece of equipment so when this when this phenomenon shows up does the random number generator in here move when it also shows up on IR over our radar so it's not like we're going off the deep and our whole

world is all about psionics and remote viewing it's not it's it's literally correlating with an observable you're getting on another and multisensory corroboration is what you're looking for in any sort Of scientific process and it works the other way sometimes the intent is to have the C assets summon the phenomenon and the rest of the equipment is turned down and then because we want to be able to isolate where we're having successes so they they ramp up they activate they summon they invite it in and then the rest of the equipment becomes measuring for their

for their summoning uh effort and so yeah so it sounds like the US government has used kids as psionic Assets and does that that bother you at all that yeah that bothers me yeah yeah it does it does bother me do you have a model of what these crafts are and what's inside of them well interestingly enough this particular craft the 8 gon is exactly what Michael Herrera reports to have seen in India that's the one time I've ever heard this brought up that account and it's it's a it's m it's matte black like you

described he calls it Phantom black and he says it has Eight you know like an octagonal shape yeah so I heard Michael herrera's story in Washington DC there was a uh in 2023 I believe there was a whistleblower conference shortly after The Whistleblower protection act got activated and then there was this at the national Press Club hosted by Steven Greer um there were several whistleblowers that uh had uh um decided to come forward in that environment and share their stories so We were actually sent there uh on behalf of our employer to look for whistleblowers

that we were trying to um basically report to the FBI and get arrested because at that time I was in this weird place between becoming a whistleblower or rounding up the whistleblowers and shutting them up because there are good reasons and bad reasons to be a whistleblower and so so you are at this press event red teaming basically exactly yeah you are trying to Maybe gather Intel on people who might become a liability for the program and you hear Michael Herrera give his testimony yeah and I wasn't prepared for that so it's it I'm sorry

because you had already seen the Aon yes and then he talked about what you had experiened firstand and then and he's getting up there and everyone's like this guy's full of [ __ ] well he was his was the craziest testimony from that and so basically this guy is saying in 2009 He's deployed with his Marine unit to the Philippines then a small part of that Marine unit like eight or nine people get actually moved off to Indonesia is this right yes and there's a a seven RoR scale earthquake that had just occurred in the

area so it's a disaster Zone this is good we're going to want to go over this whole thing keep going and he sees this eight gon octagon shaped craft Matt Black describes it as like blacker than black and it's Hovering above the Treetops and his unit starts to close in because he's like what what is this thing and there's a there's a there's a humming sound around it so not a traditional engine yeah and as they're sort of moving towards it what he describes as this Elite possibly Department of energy paramilitary unit with technical gear

out the Wazoo comes and apprehends he and his team and they have bio scanners and they have of techn gear they're Threatening this team of Marines and they're saying it's easy to get lost in the jungle right yeah they were actually two of the guys um we're actually talking about either hey should we smoke these guys right now you know that's what they kept saying it was kind of feeding more into the fear at that point because again I don't know who these guys are I know they had American Gear they had American sidearms as

well um if these guys have actually taken an oath Like we have and why they're going against people like us and even willing to kill um servicemen who just even stumbled on to this is just blows my mind and it's very sick and so Michael Herrera comes back to the US he's shocked he actually does a little bit of press around this because he's like this is ridiculous that this is being hid to the American public and then somebody back channels to him from the program and says actually the reason that that Elite Squad was

there and they were there next to that craft is because they were transferring psionic assets for the program and so this was a human trafficking operation where they were taking people putting them in pods loading them onto these craft and then that craft was taking them back to the US for use we back channeled it that was us we back channeled that that was you that was me oh my God so when that happened we were able to cooperate at Least three key things one that those type of paramilitary units do exist because guys from

our group get recruited and offer jobs to go to all to go exercise our skills elsewhere outside the US I have never done it I've never been part of those teams the other thing is the description of the craft is exactly what I had seen before and my team had seen before except he claimed this one was like 300 ft in diameter never seen one that big um the other Thing were the containers he described the containers at the time uh as being used for transporting drugs he was just making speculating he wasn't lying but

he assumed that they were there must have been transporting drugs because he saw these units on the roofs well those units were so uh those units that they used are consistent with the workstations we use when we're out on the Range there there many split HVAC systems that are used up there because As I explained that's where we have our data observation team in those and most of the time those are the Faraday cages for the psionic assets um we also know that uh that there are operations o conus outside the continental United States where

prospecting for psionic assets takes place and they're highly coveted and the interesting thing is is I hear in those programs that um there's something valuable about the life Experience in third world countries uh in that it seems as though people that live a simpler life and are outdoors more and have less contaminants in their food and their drugs and in their culture seem to be a little bit better at disassociating and heightening their intuition um and they come willingly because of the economic imbalance between where they come from so what I really don't like about

how that came out and when uh sha Ryan was there uh at The time with us in DC when this happened and we talked about this shortly after that is when Herrera went on his show and the thing took a kind of a dark turn cuz the term human trafficking was was slapped on this thing and when you hear that you think of slavery and sex trafficking and all these things um and as my understanding that's not at all what goes on in these operations it's no different than someone setting up any other type of

Business and the people come willingly the people that work in these programs it's a great job it's fun they're some of them have known their whole life that they have this Intuition or this special talent and they're socially awkward or have other pathology social pathologies um that they're dealing with too that somehow seems like it plays into this so it's like not all the people that are talented in this way are normal in every other way it's like God created some Balance so when they can come and get involved in this program and have food

and shelter and be treated with respect and make money like if you went down there on your high horse representing the United States and and morality and went in and tried to liberate these people they'd be like get out of here we don't want to be liberated this is our job can I play devil's advocate for one second I think in the Michael Herrera testimony he thought that whatever Organization this paramilitary group was from was taking advantage of the fact that Indonesia was This Disaster zone right and some of these people could go missing easily

yes and so that to me sounds one Theory or or the hurricane the natural disaster was actually threatening a workspace for this operation and they needed to get the hell out of Dodge got it I have no firsthand experience with that operation Nor direct contact with anyone involved with it I know of that type of operation I know of that craft I know of those containers um and I know of uh operations that that that sounded like and so the whole point of all this and let me put a big giant red bow on it

for you is that this was one I liked I saw a good Marine up there when I saw Mike I saw a brother in arms doing his best to be put now with a microphone in his face in a [ __ ] suit And tie in Washington DC when he's cut out to be carrying a saw through the jungle and now he's doing doing his best and he's an honest good guy and I was going to let him hang so I I sidebarred Greer and a bunch of other people and said we need to talk

about this I thanked Michael um and I have been loyal to him throughout the process and trying to help him as much as I can get support for this while also trying to stay low-key to figure out where the problems And landmines uh are with this issue and this issue was brought up to the the entire incident was brought up with my cooperations and my additional information was presented to Sean katrick version of Arrow he patently denied it and wrote it off as is uh anti-in and there was no evidence and I know for a

fact that Shan katrick has admitted outside of the office of Arrow directly to members of the Senate Intelligence committee that it did in fact happen exactly as reported by Michael Herrera and with my additions that's absolutely wild the implication of this story is that we can fly these objects because we were transporting these psionic Assets in this octagonal shaped craft so I would think and again I'm stepping way outside my bounds I have no idea how and who that operates but it I something like a reversed engineered Version of The Craft is probably what you

were saying so that this brings up maybe the most fundamental question which is why has the US government Prime Aerospace contractors International organizations according to you why have they been systematically using these psionic assets uh using other kind of Machinery based attraction techniques to attract these UFOs what what are they doing with the UFOs that land like what do you Think was done with the egg that you retrieved for example um first of all I don't know but I taken somewhere to a secure facility and it was either destroyed or hidden or buried because they've

they have so many of them now that it's not interesting to them or that it was uh researched in with the utmost secrecy the senior eg&g engineer described to my great uncle that it was egg shaped about the size of a SUV they Tried to penetrate create the hle try to open it they couldn't they said that they were able to take some very small samples of the material I'm not an expert in chemistry but I guess the isotope ratio or the mixture of elements They concluded was not made on Earth so it's I mean

it sounds like we have by your account and again this is fully speculation I know I realize you don't know this but like thousands of UFOs because I think the problem is saying we That's a big problem because who's we we don't have [ __ ] most of this stuff is kept in very Niche private Aerospace and this is why the government doesn't quite have a handle on it this stuff and the only reason I I can say this is because I know how our operations work like nobody knows what I do on a daily

basis even my my middle leader I could go out on the Range and have a particular day or have an interaction or have something happen nobody in Washington DC knows What the hell I did that day and it doesn't matter how profound it is like why is there not a clear chain of command why is there not some sort of central Authority you have rumors of you know a buddy of mine Walter Kern you know I introduced him to David grush he's a journalist he came out saying you know uh grush told him that Cheney

was the gate the the gatekeeper for all Legacy UFO programs you know like you have these people who do seem to be at The top you hear rumors of Kiss Part ignorance is the assumption that there's some fun structure in place there's not there's not and why isn't there well cuz private Aerospace has holds a lot of the power and the real estate in this in this space and the US government they kind of lost control of it a long time ago yeah that that's my sense is that in the 50s when the atomic energy

commission was set up where all this stuff was going down around Los Alamos And other sensitive nuclear sites you had basically the overlaying of nuclear secrecy on top of UFO secrecy and so if you look at the special definition of nuclear material it's Bas basically anything emitting Alpha Beta gamma radiation any sort of material with radiological properties are born secret upon retrieval if you're the US government and you retrieve this stuff officially you're in big trouble because you know you don't have plausible Deniability you kind of committed this crime this this open source science but

if you get a prime Aerospace contractor to do it you're much safer and you're more insulated and you have this whole C War secrecy era and I think what we have now is kind of a cargo cult of that cold war secrecy it's this uh structural overhang that is completely anachronistic and actually makes no sense from an American National Defense or security standpoint and it's Not like they train like I wasn't even told that like nobody told me that's the structure I'm working under I had to find out the hard way when the New York

Times article came out like 2017 uh it was really about out then things started getting really weird for us and there was a lot of movement in our world um a lot of things changed for us a lot of our uh our contract call outs changed new people are introduced into leadership structures our Communication um method changed our compensation package got creative and uh just knowing the way this world works is because it's so heavily compartmentalized and because we operate as a hidden hand that's one of the primary benefits of the service we provide um

that the plausible deniability button that people at the top can hit in order to protect themselves would sever us as The Hidden Hand and that's kind of an Ugly truth we always knew was there but we were willing to put ourselves in that position because we're Patriots and we always believe that it was for the better of our nation and to strengthen our come our country at this time it that came into question because there was so much happening and it was obvious and we knew people started peering over the cubicles you could say of

compartmentalization we started sharing facts we started putting Together the best we could the broader picture of of what's going on here cuz everyone had a little piece of the puzzle and the guy you're talking to today sitting here and I the reason I can talk broadly about this is because my my view and understanding of this has like double quadrupled if not more just in the last 5 years than it had in the previous 20 because of all the uh team building and correlation and the networking going on with trusted Individuals like some of our

mutual friends to try to figure out what the hell is going on not only like to answer the the questions of like to what extent are does our country have advanced technology how much of it is non-human but to what extent has our government become compromised and how much are we at risk like where are the good guys where are the bad guys like we're kind of screwed cuz we're trapped on the dark side of this thing like the military Industrial complex or you know the Deep black state is not this evil empire full of

like Darth Vaders like it's the best and brightest it's the most patriotic it's the most talented it's the most committed accomplished people working over here and 99% of what goes on This Nation benefits from and is what makes the nation Great and Powerful is because of the fruits these institutions and private companies and the people that work there provide so Like that's really scary to get like oh you know I'm like oh my God are we one of the bad guys so we're trying to figure out which side of this issue to be on and

um one of the things I feel extremely fortunate about in this moment right now is that the majority of the good guys have moved to this side I mean thanks to people like David grush who stuck his neck out and try and blazed the initial Trail for disclosure and took a lot of Crap for doing so and I'm sure he thinks made a lot of mistakes and could have done things better but he's made it much easier in a much better environment for us to come forward and and it's much more obvious that the bad

guys are weaning in number and they're doomed and our numbers are growing but at the time when I was at the conference in DC that wasn't the case we were teetering and you know you're faced with that ultimate question of like do you do the right Thing or do you self-preserving man with kids that self-preservation option becomes much more complex because it's about like my wife and kids and my livelihood and my quality of life and my my wealth and net worth and everything we've worked on is at stake and so it's a very compated

question but my it didn't take me long to decide because like I had to believe that in the end of the day that my intuition and my instincts for Patriotism and for good would lead me at every moment to the proper conclusion and this really began when we sat there in the audience me and my teammate and were listening to Michael her's story and I'm going I and I was able to understand what he was saying was true or at least had elements that I was fully aware of that he didn't quite understand that he

couldn't have been making up because if he did somebody planted ideas in his Imagination because he nailed exactly what goes on so it was at this moment that we began to help out um and and what and what what does that look like so the second you decide internally I'm going to choose the hard path this program needs to be reformed this Michael Herrera guy is actually a good guy do you go back to headquarters and you say you go to your boss and you say hey actually you were wrong to have me red team

this guy or what exactly Happens there or do you kind of move in the dark we went we went back and we flipped we flipped on we flipped on red team power and the ultimate fashion and we began to Black team the black team is what we did so and it was fun to have that clear of an orientation and to be that [ __ ] fired up about it because we went after them and them so the first question is who the hell are we working for and what are their intentions this was happening

At a time we were set out to recover some sensitive information was believed to be kept on some tough books Panasonic tough books this was in the last four years and it's believed on these tough books was highly sensitive information that uh was evidence to CR programs that uh we were involved in we received uh human intelligence that gave us um the Intel package we needed to pursue where we thought the first set of tough books might be a recovery team was sent And we found the TP books I'm not going to say where and

we returned them to our employer um at a familiar facility in the California desert uh the tough books were missing the hard drives we then set out to recover the hard drives we found the human our human uh asset led us to another location high in the sieras which was a a glacier Lake and the hard drives were sealed in a steel container like 20 5 ft underwater what what so um a third mission what exactly is on these Hard drives I don't know whatever it was there was at least two adversarial parties who would

do anything to get their hands on them and we got caught in the middle the next mission we went out on I'll just tell you that shots were fired and um we called [ __ ] and that's when we began to backtrack and set out with our our own effort to find out exactly who we were working for and what they were interested in can you say who you were working for no I can't say There's currently a two investigations taking place right now and I can't FBI is one of them and when you say

you called [ __ ] shots were fired can you say anything about that incident specifically no okay fair fair fair I was one to say no um but I'll tell the we got jerked around our Intel changed last minute uh our location changed there was a lot of bad things that were going on rhythmically that didn't smell right but we kept putting one foot in Front of the other and you almost have to at that point whether you're playing along or not because you need to play along to gather and to do interrogation of what

traps are being laid in front of you just hope you don't follow them because that's helpful information when you say they are using you for plausible deniability just to sever The Hidden Hand can you say anything more about that yeah um it was believed that there was Evidence of Crash retrievals that um were proof of criminal activity on these tough books and that this data was captured illegally on operations within the program in the desert and that there was a whistleblower or group of whistleblowers that were going to be turning this evidence in um to

the powers at B in order to uh expose the program and thereby Doing that expose individuals so this is you know Everyone likes to ask like why why are you talking right now aren't you afraid for your life how can people haven't been killed and and I'll tell you why there's a couple reasons one why am I not afraid that someone's going to try and silence me with death well um first of all if they if they wanted to and were capable of doing it if they had the will and skill to do it they

would have done it already they Also like Lou wouldn't be here Dave wouldn't be here I wouldn't be here they would have done it already I I pray that you are right just to play devil's advocate for a second Lou and Dave are of different class than you you you've you've touched the metal so to speak maybe not the craft itself but you are as close as it gets to the actual retrieval but why is that why would that make me any more of a well there's always the ability to stigmatize Somebody I like I

know Dave and I find him Beyond reproach but there's always the ability to hang on this guy is just this Intel guy he's gathered a bunch of secondhand information and it's what people use to detract from his testimony now yeah with you I think it's kind of hard if you were to just just listen to everything you've said today it's tough to to to deny well that comes down to the will so I say it's two things that keep you alive or kill you Is there has to be intent and capability I call it will

and skill so there has to be a will to to take me out there has to be the skill the ability to do it so why is there the will is going to come from this place it's it's not going to come from the what everyone thinks is a national security issue we need to hide this stuff where that's going to come from is from individuals within the organization or who have been involved in any part of these activities who have Committed crimes and wants to cover their ass they will do anything to protect themselves

which includes taking out other people Wet Works um and so that that that makes for a very narrow group of folks that might at least have the will to do that um and you can kind of smoke those people out uh skill is the other one like who's actually going to facilitate this and how will that be facilitated there are some sneaky ways to do it there are some More blatant like Brute Force ways to do it um you don't want to show up at my house uh and think you're going to be successful with

Brute Force because that's going to go south for you really quickly or you don't want to approach me anywhere in public like you're going to have to really do something creative um because I'm not afraid of the boogeyman I am the boogeyman so you better bring it uh but that doesn't that's a lot of talk when you have wife and kids so uh I'm not here to bring that on um but there there is not it hasn't been shown that anyone has the will and skill to do it or they would have already for me

um and I think there are more good guys out on this side than there are bad even at the at the high level now that all being said I do know for a fact that um there are leadership Within uh entities that I work for and with that have called for Wet Works and there are people that have died under very suspicious circumstances at the most convenient time for those who would want to have them silenced who were coming out and who were speaking out on our activities anybody you know yes can you say anything

more no because there's an investigation um happening right now uh and they're they're looking into it That's scary man it is very scary but so when we realized we were being compromised I sent everybody home and I we began to do our own operation and I wanted to know if this came from the very top was the top of our organization either complicit in this attempt to sever The Hidden Hand which is us or were they compromised cuz there's the only two options um do you feel now like you have the proper protection in place

because I think from An American National Security standpoint if you have these different foms where the left hand isn't talking to the right hand you have overc compartmentalization yeah you have all this knowledge locked up in these disperate pockets and you're competing with China and Russia that it's actually maladaptive from a national security standpoint so is somebody in Authority saying you know I see this Jake guy he's actually acting in the best interest of the country Let's protect him yes in order to come out yeah and now that takes us to Congress because when I

went to the director of security and realized he didn't have my back I realized I couldn't trust my nebulous Network anymore and then I was at a loss and I was left with the one like emergency button that I always thought I had and I punched it and that was to go to Congress to go to the Senate intelligence committee and go To the monitor for CIA and spill my guts and go help me help me help me this is what's happened like help um that was probably one of the most discouraging experiences of my

life because within minutes of being there and asking for help they were begging for my help interesting like they didn't understand what was going on they had no handle on it no they were they were being bullied and and being harassed at their homes and were scared for their life and Wanted me to set up a personal protection detail to help protect them and I was like fine [ __ ] I guess this is where we're going with it so are the are the rumor because the long-standing rumors are that this is run by the

CIA that in 52 you had public facing UFO UFO research in the form of Blue Book this sort of you know public relations effort cleave off from the more vital organization actually studying this stuff and that was the cia's office of Scientific intelligence in collaboration with Patel Memorial Institute the atomic energy commission and then even up until today you have Chris sharp writing a great article for The Liberation times he's talking about kind of the the chain of command for the UFO program and he cites Glenn Gaffney as the cia's Director of Science and Technology

as being kind of one of the primary Gatekeepers of the Legacy UFO program so when you go to them and you say all this Crazy stuff is happening super disorganized and it's you know kind of unethical are they they're really just completely unaware you mean Congress no I mean the CIA CIA you so what's happening is there are multiple programs and multiple coverups happening all the same time everyone's not everyone but there that's the biggest misunderstanding that everyone would benefit From um resolving is this is not that organized and it's not um there's not that

much Synergy at play and why why I I know it's valuable that I'm here today is like I have I'm like the fingertips like I'm out here at the and I'm like we're touching it we're the Grassroots on the ground interacting with crash recovery not reverse engineering that's a different group but all we've heard from is like like say the the shoulder joint like the head of This thing yeah um but the shoulder has no idea what's going on at the fingertips and you could get to the elbow and you could have some corruption and

misdirection here that's like that's like changing the direction and energy that's being sent down to the fingertips and vice versa there isn't stuff going up down um so it's this like gangly octopus of an organization it's not this model no it's not and just think about it like we give it too much credit in That regard like how in the world could you manage like hundreds of thousands of humans first of all with all their flaws and instincts who are trained as the number one trained that the number one rule is deception and so they're

all being deceiving and like there this supposed to be some big organization that works together and then the detractors are going to say why haven't there been more whistleblowers and then I think that the Answer is there have been Steven Greer has a database of hundreds of whistle Well I this is where I I I just want to say something I think for for people who who may be sitting in your position cuz they're watching this Jake they're watching this and they might be thinking about going through what you're going through is there anything you'd

say to them yeah you know it's a problem and it's sad but our Congress is not in control they are completely they're ignorant and neutered when it comes to the subject matter for the most part they're ignorant and neutered and where they're not ignorant and neutered they're corrupt and arrogant which Nets us a congress that's in a state of paralysis by analysis and I can't tell you like for me how sinking a feeling that was like I go running and I I'm I'm nervous because I'm going to blow the whistle the first place I go

is The Senate intelligence committee and the monitor for CIA and I start tell my story they don't question it for one second they know it's happening they're like they're they're they're edifying everything I'm saying and trying to cut me off because they're so like excited to actually get to talk about this and they're like oh my God so what do I do they're like uh give me your number do you have signal I need to text you these guys are at my house last night and I'm Like wait a minute this was my asking for

help moment my fellow citizens today we celebrate the mystery of American renewal I know that my experience it's no coincidence that it happened during the Clinton era and the path that I took was something that was heavily influenced by the fact that the clintons were in office and that when Clinton took office he was I think uh surprised to find out that he was um never intended to be a part of The leadership structure he was ostensibly in control of and knew that he was surrounded by lies and limited by laws and quickly took an

interest in the subject and when he couldn't get answers um started taking action and uh I think our whatever I ended up doing was was related to that and was part of the pressure that was put on the dod to maybe even create like a red team to infiltrate the black team and get into the programs and then report back Through our leadership structure as to what's really going on couple of interesting data points around that uh Hillary Clinton there's a picture of her at Camp David and I think she had met with Lawrence Rockefeller

who is really interested in UFO disclosure and she's holding this book by this physicist Paul Davies and it's are we alone and clearly she was getting into the topic of UFO disclosure and then uh John podesta who is their chief of staff has been a major Major proponent of disclosure for the last two decades yeah and uh if you look at the timing I I'll tell you it's probably no coincidence that when Hillary was running for president that that there's a correlation in timing with the standing up of atip and what led to the New

York Times article and there are things there I think the clintons have always wanted to be involved with disclosure and I and and as much as Everyone likes to vilify them I don't think there's any real probably isn't as much of like a a self-serving reason other than like a general curiosity I don't think it's a power grab to want to take it it doesn't seem to be any real benefit to being a politician associated with the disclosure um but yeah the the from just my experiences and people I've talked to that are in the

know on probably a little bit more in the average Person uh the clintons have definitely been key individuals and have initiated some some efforts that are pro- disclosure Trump is now promising a whole new era of disclosure obviously the proverbially famous example would be the JFK case was that somewhat of an inside job are there any details that we have that are classified that the public should should know I guess a couple of questions there do you think UFOs get Dei prioritized because they're spending All the political capital on these other disclosures or are there

kind of as rumored ball and chain Dynamics where if you get JFK disclosure you actually find out that his interest in UFOs might have something to do with his assassination again anyone could just do their homework I think if you went out and you really looked at the information that's already been released and its credibility related to the JFK issue there is clearly some ties you look at The Timeline um of what was going on at the time when you look at the evolution of this subject and how our government reacted to events of the

1940s and 50s and 60s it makes a lot of sense uh and it seems to be the best um the best theory and the fact that we might find out with Trump uh is exciting but I sense hesitation even from him um if cash Patel gets put as the Director of FBI it seems like like he certainly well as one read in on everything um but is Motivated to share and when I see him speaking cryptically about it recently on the clip we talked about you're talking to a guy that's read the entire JFK file

the things that we can't release have nothing to do with the questions you guys are asking the answers you guys want pretty much have them there is very minimal stuff that can't be seen for things that you wouldn't even think are related to If you if you weren't connected to this subject matter you might not pick up on it but what I hear him saying cryptically is that the JFK assassination is linked to the UAP topic and we have a lot of other corroborative data on that uh maybe the most important piece of data is

a guy named Harold mgram who was a presidential adviser for four different presidents uh JFK LBJ Nixon and Ford and he says that there was this bluegill triple prime test in Johnston and tol so in the South Pacific uh Marshall Islands and that you could even see in that the deck logs from this this test uh bluegill triple prime that this anomalous material fell out of the plume of this nuclear blast that UFO material was taken to the atomic energy commission's Albuquerque outfit and Lawrence P G who's actually Jeff bezos's Eternal grandfather was actually the

director at the time and Harold mgram who is on on behalf of JFK is taken to Lo Alamos and then uh uh JFK comes like a month later and gets woken up on the UFO issue and then you have this letter of kind of controversial provenance but we should really look into this and figure out if this is real where he's writing to John mcon who is the new CIA director he had just fired Dulles and he's saying we actually need to coordinate with the Russians or the Soviets on UFOs because we want to make

sure that they're not uh uh mistaking These UFOs for acts of American aggression because they're flying around sensitive airspace um so I think a lot of actually you know research lines up to to make one believe that JFK did have I mean all that makes sense but when you try and tie it to motive to shoot him in the head in a public place like that's like what why why would you go that far well think it was a medly probably not the primary reason he was also trying to defang the nuclear Arsenal and you

had Guys like doas saying that you know it was an act of patriotism to take him out okay so but you have all these disclosures Visa Trump uh who should Trump Empower you know there talks of a UAP Zar should somebody be in charge here I first of all I love the idea of Tulsi gabard is dni Cash Patel's fantastic like it's really exciting mean people can say what want about Trump but the people he's surrounding himself with and what their intentions seem to be are Really encouraging and if you need a guy to clean

house like dude all he needs to do is he could just give Dave a hunting license to to go after those who uh might have something to share like it would clear up a lot like Dave Dave grush yeah like Dave your guy he he knows what's going on and uh he knows where the bodies are buried he knows where the bodies are buried yeah and um there we do need some accountability if not only to so that it doesn't repeat Itself like I don't believe in Vengeance but I believe in Justice and that's the

subtle difference he and Carl Nell who is uh just kind of gigabrain uh Next Level historical Phil philosophical thinker and and and just also very high integrity guy so Mr gr finally do you believe that our government is in possession of uaps uh absolutely based on interviewing over 40 Witnesses over four years are you one of David gush's 40 firsthand Witnesses that he says he presented to the uh intelligence Community Inspector General Thomas monheim no Dave and I met after his initial complaint was filed with the ICI and uh those guys represented a set I

I don't know the 40 I know of some of them um one of them is the guy who's no longer with us um whose demise was was quite conveniently timed for those who might have something to do with it but Uh sorry I didn't mean to go there with it but um no those were that was a different group I'm part of a new group that met Dave in this process you know we were I didn't know what Dave was doing at the same time we were doing it like we were going through the Doster

process at about the same time um when we were were experiencing our whistleblower transition about the same time Dave was like it was weird like we were both it was both happening at the Same time but completely different you got to remember like Dave is way up here at the shoulder like the high-end administrative end of the Intel and the government's uh program I'm down here on the fingertips trying to figure out what's going on and we ended up meeting in the middle you know in this effort and we should preface this for the audience

what is what is doser so doser is the Department of Defense uh review process it stands for um depart Department of Defense prepublication and Security review so because I held a clearance at one point and because I worked uh for the Department of Defense anything I say publicly whether it's written or uh any oral form written or spoken or videoed or recorded in any way it has to go through this process and then what it does allows the do and certain offices within DOD to review what I plan on sharing and uh strike it down

if they think it puts if it risks Um operational security for any of them any specific knowledge I garnered when I was on the other side of the door if I want to talk about that publicly everybody who has had a job like I have has to submit it to a thing called doser at the Pentagon DOD prepublication Security review you know even if it's about this stuff how the hell did you get approval to speak to us today through doser through the the D pre-publication approvals I mean the Stuff you're saying is pretty intense

yeah and why are they letting you this is a great question because this is going to help people understand pretty much why I answered the last question the way I did in previous answers is that the doser doser process is somewhat laughable from what its intent is first of all you have to understand that people like me have become so compartmentalized that we've become Detached there isn't even knowledge of some of the things that we have done um that that sit at a level uh of availability to people tasked with publication review at the Department

of Defense that they could find and get their hands through and go oh yes like everyone again thinks of this in way too organized of a fashion and I can maybe there's a good time this will help you understand the adopter process because I'll tell you exactly How we manipulated it um when we decided to come forward um and we again that was because we had some concerns about who we worked for and their intentions and whether or not we were in trouble and we're going to get severed is The Hidden Hand uh we decided

to query and run an interrogation of the Department of Defense and its private Partners um by writing a historical fiction novel So um I call it faction a mixture of fact and fiction uh we hired a ghost writer and what we did is we put all of the claims that we wanted to we wrote out uh we wrote 120,000 word me menus script and submitted it in pieces to the doser process starting with the first 20 Pages which was like 12,000 words um and our goal with this process was to it was essentially red team

the Doster process to expose who Subject matter experts are they call them smmes and determined from that those smemes um trying to lay out some form of map as to who's actually in control of this thing who cares about what information why and then begin to either push harder and assume that when we hit walls and limitations that secret paths lie on the other edge of those directory and then we can begin to create little fact islands and try and draw a Scaffolding between them this was all done through our interrogation effort by creating a

manuscript of a historical fiction submitting it to doser in this process um the first 20 Pages we had four categories of information information that we included uh information a was classified information we knew was classified we knew was uh classified at a a high level and that should get triggered and should get shot down should get redacted um Information B was information that was classified but was so need to know that it really only existed within the hearts and minds of The Operators that were involved that day it shouldn't be at an admin level for

anyone to find or even one chopped out to subject matter experts it would really it was a very fine uh attack that would really precisely illustrate who is concerned with that type of information going public the third type of information we Included in that manuscript was open- Source classified information which might sound like an oxymoron but it's not there is what is technically considered classified information out on the internet that somehow has leaked out but context matters how and who is using it matters which kind of plays into why someone like Annie Jacobson or another

art uh author who has published incredible things on the subject matter is not subject to the doser process at All people like me who have held a clearance and have worked directly for the Department of Defense have to go through that process and so we used my that as a basis we used that as our for them to force them to review it and redact it um and then there was the fourth type of information which was complete fictional Liberty and what we did here is we speculated on the who what why and when of

of the broader picture outside what we knew through our Own um compartmented information and our need to know facts and then we draw what we thought were likely reasons and filled in around those facts and connected them to other and we went fishing to see if we could touch on something that was classified and get it redacted um and then therefore Point towards the smmes um in doing this process we submitted it took six months to get 20 Pages back and we had seven pages of redactions from all four Categories wow um and we knew

we were on like game on and so you know they were stuck they can't they can't have a poker face they so they're stuck in this situation where by not redacting something it passes through and now it's open source um by redacting something they are indirectly validating that it is sensitive and it is classified it did really happen and someone's concerned about it um there is a counterplay though and that would be to Intentionally allow something that was classified to get out under the context of a fictional novel and therefore internally sealing it with the

stamp of the creative writings of a fictional author boom gone and now something that's reality is now spun into uh fantasy and that's where it lives in the public domain um and that's a strategy that that we use um commonly I I call it um or I'll say the best place to hide the truth is in a pile of horeshit Y and That's the best place to deal with it or you know goes back to Plato where he writes the Republic and he says uh everything I'm about to tell you is a lie and then

he sort of writes this like profound beautiful like musing on like the ideal state but also with some metaphysical implications yeah and I think a lot of UFO history is hidden in plain sight Vis A these fiction books so you have uh Tom dong uh BL 182 frontman writing with Peter lenda and AJ Harley This this whole series of I would say historical faction where he's dealing with Executives at lockie Martin and other places and writing about crash retrievals and other things you have another guy named Chase Brandon who's a CIA leaz on to Hollywood

he wrote a great book called cryptos conundrum yeah which I believe has some you know real real truth in it and so this is an age-old uh strategy and it sounds like you red teamed Doster pretty effectively Yeah yeah it worked and they spit it and then what was funny is they they didn't like they're like well our our purpose in only submitting 20 Pages at the time is we want an opportunity to evaluate and react and then rewrite the subsequent chapters to probe for more redactions or to probe for more um willing uh willing

allowances of classified information and they caught on to us and said we're done you have to Submit your whole manuscript and we were like no the these we're writing like a series and it's like consider this whole thing uh uh a series and these are episodes we are going to release only 20 Pages at a time do you want us to release it without it being reviewed well no no no okay well then we need you to review it and then we'll give you the next 20 Pages because that's actually this isn't one book we're

going to release it four months later so you know You're in the driver's seat in that regard because they kind of paint themselves into this corner with the way they work and then you can use that against them which is a red team 101 situation and there's no distinction for them between fact and fiction where once it's ped doser you can now say actually this was fact because you passed it under the veneer of fiction you can still now say this is fact and it's and its context is king So it's like what Because there

are things that got redacted like I said that's open source I cannot talk at length about organizations I work for when I was enlisted even though like I just told you everything about what I did and where I was station and everybody knows the history of who's there and what's there I can't I can't utter the words I can't talk to you about my recruitment process at length and how I ended up where I did because that's that's Redacted as well um but this is this is why it's confusing and why Dave can say we

have multiple down craft and have collected dead pilots and like why could you say that it's because when it goes in to doser they distribute they do their they the the people at the front read through and they do their best job to disseminate oh who should we ask about who should care another thing that happens is like nobody wants to touch That [ __ ] with a 10-f pole no no office wants to be the guy that says oh yeah I have a problem with Dave saying biologics it's like you want to pop your

head up and like be the that has a problem with biologics also people that may have had a problem with it and this has to do with turnover in Generations existing Within These ancient organizations like the fact that this has been going on for 70 years like the people Who head whose heads need to roll may not even be alive anymore and someone else has taken that position so this kind of gives them an easy way out they're not having to come clean and confess the sins of their forefathers all they have to do is

allow classified information to not be redacted through the doser process and they just SC disclosure so from this angle I think disclosure is almost on us to realize aha they're giving us a Sign departments and you can't think of the dod of the adops are process again is this you people overedit the organizational and the Synergy of these institutions the three-letter agencies don't mean [ __ ] like this may be the way the government's only way to disclose is to like I can't say it but you can ask me question ask me a yes or

no question ask me if something is true and I won't say no and that's kind of where we're at so we need I think the dobster process Is one of the keys to disclosure like let's keep submitting documents and get this stuff out the nhi does not respect the Monopoly the US government thinks it has on this subject and there are organizations worldwide that understand that uh that it's a worthwhile investment they're not waiting on offices like Arrow or the president of United States to tell them they should spend time and money on this it's

being done and there are there are Global Crash recovery and reverse engineering programs um outside the US and I'm not referring to just governments I'm referring to hybrid organizations organizations that are extra governmental listen I'm not here to make anyone believe anything like belief is a very personal thing it's very personal and the problem with this subject matter is well one it's very it's very intense because it carries such profound implications I don't know that we have Any more or less proof per se on this subject for the general public than we do other things

that we probably accept more broadly than this subject but it's because of the implications of this that people want to draw very hard lines on it but man if I think a good place to start is to humble yourself for for everyone that's getting exposed this right now humble yourself from the perspective of what you consider believable and I think a good measure or A question to ask is like how much do we currently take wholeheartedly and believe in that we act on every day if I was asked you to remove everything from your life

that you believe because someone else told you or you read somewhere or were taught that you don't have firsthand experience with you'd be paralyzed and speechless wouldn't be able to function you wouldn't get out of your house if everybody had radical cartisian doubt where it was like I Don't even know that that's a chair or you know you're saying is real or whatever it you wouldn't be able to function you would be able to operate and this is where I just give up on trying to make people believe anything like I don't have time for

that like I'm over it like this has been my life for a long time like I've got [ __ ] to do and I have things I'm trying to I'm like making people believe is is not does not interest me well it's extremely easy to Sway the public in various ways and put put guard rails on their thinking without them even knowing it and so there's you know good critical thinking you know this guy Thomas Bay a statistician from England the 18th century B basian basian thought basian reasoning and it's like new data that you

get should be evaluated in the context of your prior database and if your prior database is like every time you hear the word UFO you think snake Oil you think I'm going to throw it in the junk pile you're building a bad data set like that's actually bad critical thinking yes and if you were just open-minded and you read you know this great book UFOs and nukes which nobody can read who I recommend to cuz it's so dry and hard-headed and it's 580 pages I think you have to come out with some sort of base

case around UFOs being real and at least at the very least worthy of Investigation yeah I would say the least Credible thing in the equation is most people's basis for belief what do you mean by that that's the least credible thing is their their basis for belief is not a reasonable is they're not taking a reasonable approach to their criteria for belief their criteria for that is based on well what are you basing that on like what research Have You Done Right how have you disseminated fact from fiction to arrive at your current Understanding how

do you know you haven't been sublimely programmed to be desensitized to one things and Hyper sensitized in a negative fashion to others and you probably have so you need to be thrown out as someone who should be making decisions for what you believe because your perspective is [ __ ] it's funny to see after this Shawn Ryan Story coming out this Las Vegas bomber cyber truck bomber in front of the Trump Tower this bizarre like I don't know how to Describe it it's like this meme Warfare act it's it's hard to you know really understand

and comprehend and then you have this guy going on Shan Ryan uh a shoe mate saying that he received an email from the Green Beret himself the bomber saying that basically there are Chinese gravitic drones flying over the Eastern Seaboard that could if this is true the payload delivery involved in these warp drive gravitic drones could vaporize New York City or Washington DC At the drop of a hat and so this is what I I find fascinating bring it back to the whole like you know critical thinking thing I've had more high-powered Silicon Valley people

hit me up about oh anti-gravity might be real after that it's was just generically popular yeah and because of that you have people who honestly I respect in many other context as far as their ability to operate make money do really cool things in the world coming To me being like oh maybe the stuff you did on towns and brown Antigravity is real just it came into focus in a place they were already directing their attention rather than their intention being brought into where these facts exist it's just all hypnosis and magic tricks it is

yeah yeah the Shawn Ryan thing has really been hell for us the last two to three weeks like it um that's really touched our community and there's a lot of ties to that and and Our our group of of friends let's say and uh that's been something else and it's it's a Hot Topic you know the you're touching on the New Jersey thing we were just out there we were assigned um assigned to support the dod and the FBI task force that was trying to be stood up out there uh serving essentially as a hidden

hand like we normally are dispatched to try and come in and offer something in order to declare this a Hazard to Public Safety or to find Criminal Intent or criminal actions so that the FBI could have a basis so Jake what what did you find out well that's where I'm going I'm entire the entire world is extremely confused it feels like the highest levels of government are confused as to what is going on okay you know our first day there we got there um we were primarily focused to the activity in and around or above

and Around I should say pitini arsel which is a government weapons um installation weapons focused let's say or weapon Centric installation first night there on the ground we get our Ops set up and we're watching the skies we're um uh organization I work for now uh one of the founding members of It's called skywater and we specialize in aerial intelligence this is completely autonomous and an independent Venture it's full of uh full of guys like me That have worked in an official capacity for the government we've brought our tools and talent and experience and are

investing them into this private company and then trying to help the government where we can and also uh provide a window for the public into this subject and these Technologies so that being said we show up in New Jersey first night on location within 30 minutes over pitini Arsenal w w w w all these orange orbs coming into existence right over Picky Arsenal trying to do time stamps on how long they were there was difficult because it would appeared about 40 40 45 minutes at a time which is consistent with some traditional large battery powered

drones but what we can't tell is if that was the same drone or it was disappearing and reappearing and that was The Sensational language that was used more often what it could mean is that they were turning their lights Off and on and that's why they were disappearing and reappearing but you know were they only at night only at night for us it was between like uh 1700 in midnight so from 5:00 until about midnight is when we monitored or captured most of the activity and so um you know the problem with that whole thing

out there is most of the data being collected and the reports were coming in were from unqualified observers on the ground using visual Spectrum so what I mean by that is humans looking up with their eyes and going bro what's that it's also a very busy airspace around there so there's airplanes there's helicopters I mean if you really wanted to red team that situation what I would have done is I would have put a bunch of glow sticks and helium balloons and tied them together and then sent them up in the air and watch people

just lose their [ __ ] because you you wouldn't been able To discern and then you shoot them with you know uh BB guns until they pop and disappear like there's so much room for [ __ ] in that situation that you it's hard to cut through the noise what we were observing because we are qualified observers was not [ __ ] there's something very concerning over pitini Arsenal so the first thing we looked at was okay these are probably large like drones that we know the classes of that're available out there in military Inventory

and in um some civilian inventory that was turning off its lights in route and then on rtb and which is illegal so there's our case for breaking laws right there if this was in FAA controlled airspace when a drone leaves the ground first of all uh uas an unmanned aerial system has to have all the FAA approved Lighting systems that any other aircraft does and it has to have them on when it leaves the ground it's also limited you Have to be a licensed operator and you're not allowed to Fly Above 400 ft these were

lights off over 400 feet over pick atini Arsenal just sitting there no one's doing [ __ ] about it and weren't they sitting there for 5 hours plus sometimes longer and then so but we still don't know if it was just lights going off or they're popping into place cuz while this is going on in the airspace south of there we also were running a program that's more we were Running operations let's say that's more um more attuned for the UAP the the unidentifiable phenomenon and we had UAP class stuff popping up to the south

of there coming in from the outer atmosphere and hovering into place and going back into space what do you mean you were running operations more a teun to the UAP we were looking for that we were expecting that looking for that and making sure we were paying attention for things that fit got it the box of Possibly being well and UAP is a very safe word UAP is the words are very you should say UAP more often because it means unidentified anomalous phenomenon I mean I don't know how you get I don't know how that

becomes as conrete is if there's aliens and spaceships flying around because it's the opposite of clear or or um conclusive so UAP is should be a safe word so yes it was UAP and we were looking for UAP we're looking specifically for things that we Couldn't identify and clearly didn't fit into a box the the following nights our plan was to get airborne and in our helicopter and get a closer look legally under the guidance of the faa's air traffic control uh what was interesting about the situation is that there was a TFR setup over

pitini Arsenal a month prior like before Thanksgiving and the TFR is a temporary flight restriction which is turns any airspace into highly restricted airspace um on a case-by Casee basis and so someone uh had the foresight or the reasoning to set up a TFR to restrict drone activity over Pitino Arsenal weeks before Thanksgiving we're there you know around Christmas or a little before Christmas so this been going on for a month in the area and what's interesting about this TFR is it didn't restrict general aviation traffic it only restrict uh uas unman aerial systems so

what that means is any member of the General public who got in their civilian aircraft with the pilot's license could fly through that TFR with no restrictions but a drone could not so they were carving out for drones well the problem there is an aircraft could have an incursion with these drones who everyone was pretending weren't there and was ignoring it and now you have an accident or an incident which is which is a safety risk and when you get into safety risks for things that fly around In the air things get serious really quick

and that was the biggest problem and the biggest thing that wasn't being addressed that we were trying to make sure people were paying attention to was that to say there's no public risk that's a really loow hanging fruit not the most exciting detail to Anchor to in this thing but it's an anchor point where we could start digging and forcing people to give more concise reports from the dod side from the local law Enforcement agencies um because nobody was working together there there were over 59 local law enforcement entities working not coordinating there we had

FBI we had DOD we had private Partners um on pitini some from Legacy programs that uh that are very popular were there with their very fancy tools and toys everyone's doing their own thing um were you called in specifically because of your UAP retrieval Experience I wouldn't say my retrieval experience per se but our team of guys uh we're second to none and I'm not being overly proud in saying that so we were brought in um more so on the behalf of DOD to help take a look at things and and really contribute any way

we can but we found there was a lot of there wasn't a lot of coordination going on the powers it be that' be really don't know what's going on or very few do and they're clearly Not communicating with the rest of um our leadership and the public MH I mean that's a great sample of why this whole thing is so confusing yeah is the New Jersey drone incident what did Trump mean when he said it's probably not adversary we know where the garage is we could go into the garage our military knows where they took

off from if it's a garage they can go right into that garage they know where it came from and where it went God you're asking me to Know what Trump means um you're just asking another guy that's watching that on his phone like you so what what was your net assessment just for the average person extremely confused based on what we know from previous incursions that mcdill and Langley Air Force Base this year as well um that there were Chinese Nationals that were taken into custody um that's a very big problem because if they are

State actors and they are it's an act of War and so how do we respond to an act of War like there are no good options because either we look weak and vulnerable because we don't respond or we do respond and what now we're war with China which the World cannot afford so there's there's there's a counterplay now if I was if I was a red team member when I look at it this lens what I would do if I was working if I if America was my adversary I would fake a Chinese Invasion it

would be a false flag I Would make it look like China was doing this and I would hire you know the billions of people that live in China aren't all singing the same song There's plenty of disgruntled people there that are for hire that work for other organizations worldwide um and our criminals in other capacities that aren't in align with with China's intentions so I would I would hire a Chinese National or someone from China and deploy them to make it look like China was causing the incursion in order to start a war with the

US for for a number of Nefarious purposes so it could have been a false flag like that um the biggest problem with shooting them down everyone's like why don't you just shoot them down well this is pointed out a vulnerability we've known for very long time with why there's a whole category of Contracting in the US called cuas or counter uas systems is because drone incursions are a problem because you Can't shoot them down because where they are most likely a problem is over highly populated area like here Dodger Stadium let's say you can't just

shoot them down because then now they're going to fall and cause damage to people and property so what do you do like you really can't do anything unless you can chase down who's operating them and take them into custody okay okay but do do you think any of these were genuine non-human intelligence any of these drones you Mentioned the Chinese Nationals okay I do and so why do you think that because of uh the way they transitioned in and trans transitioned out um because of indications we got within our uh our observation operations the way

we observe and collect data um that would be my guesses I do think that there was a an NH nhi component to this combined which is what makes it really confusing you know the biggest mystery of this whole thing is The mystery like there shouldn't be a mystery this is a very simple thing there's something in the sky go figure out what it is find out who's flying it it's over day one right this continues to happen over and over again and we still are pretending like we're confused which points to something that is far

superior to us technologically that is ephemeral or weakly entangled with our reality and popping in and out and not something that is easily or prosaically Understood and in the case I think what what makes this so confusing is in the case in which it is genuine uip you would get probably our state-of-the-art drones around there as well we throw those out to kind of detect yeah and so you you end up with this extremely kind of fuzzy mixed bag where it's much easier again I don't want to beat beat up on Sean Ryan I think

he's actually an amazing intervie guy but like you have him retweeting that like maybe there's Like this you know loose nuke on the Eastern Seaboard I was freaking out I was texting Logan we were freaking out about it for for a day and then um there's something easier about that narrative cleaner about that narrative than it's actually just this complicated mix of non-human intelligence and people don't like mixes we want black and white and you know sea is uh just as vulnerable to that as we all are I can tell you it wasn't loose nukes

um and Why I know that for sure is because I know people that work on the nest team uh I know people on what is aest team it's the nuclear emergency uh support team um that H and I also know people that work for the W the weapons of mass destruction directive under the department of the FBI they were there their families were there they weren't like get the [ __ ] out of Dodge like there's a loose nuke so they wouldn't have had their kids there they wouldn't Have been like going to Target and

buying churos like no they were they were chilling out so they weren't worried about a loose nuke at that time so you really have to look that practically um we're going through this major shift where we're realizing we can't trust our institutions we can't trust the narrative that's being presented and people don't know how to respond to that and I feel really bad for Like like uh Baby Boom the good baby boomers cuz they're getting like vilified so much but like my in-laws the sweetest old people like they've trusted the news and newspaper their whole

life they've trusted offices of the president and um it's real dangerous because there's this calling to like throw it all out like get rid of all of our institutions get rid of the government and that's not the answer what what this needs to be is a call to action for all Brave well-rounded people with work ethic and a deep sense of meaning to start occupying position positions within institutions and offices like we just need to occupy these positions of power and seize our institutions and this is everything from like the uh you know the Catholic

Church to the World Health Organization organization to uh police departments like so many good people I know that are Cops are like screw this especially around the George Floyd incident and all the Fallout from defund the police are like I'm retiring I'm getting out I'm like oh great we're just going to turn the police department over to those who would work under these conditions and these new standards of like you don't have to be able to do a pullup or run like you can be overweight and like and try and like protect and serve no

and so and same in the military so many people Have gotten out because of how how why maybe the spirit of Dei or some like to rearrange it diie because it's it's a death sentence um but the spirit of that makes sense to all good people like every one of us in the milit is here risk our so that you can be free to say whatever you want and Orient yourself sexually you want but it's being gone about the wrong way and so people are punching out and that's the last thing we want to do

we have to if You want if you're willing to sacrifice your life in some glor glorified sexy way of like jumping on a grenade for your B buddy and having an awesome funeral well then be willing to put up with an environment that rubs you the wrong way like stay in your sacrifice is more nuanced than the glory of a fantastic death you need to stay in your job and put up with political HR [ __ ] and occupy positions of leadership and then make changes that's the only way This works that is a a

beautiful and not nihilistic message to a lot of people who I think have felt cheated by The Establishment and institutions over decades and I do think often the blame gets sometimes fairly sometimes unfairly pinned on the Baby Boomers and so I mean yeah it's important to not throw the baby out with the bath water the the final thing I think we should just talk about on the New Jersey drone thing and then I think we should move on is on the Point of good critical thinking these quote unquote drones seem to be showing up consistently

around sensitive military sites and all over the world not just in New Jersey so pitini Arsenal is one place that's where they initially seem to show up but you have Lake and Heath you have uh Salem uh nuclear power plant in Jersey you have Brunswick you know Duke Energy power plant in North Carolina and this just totally comports with Robert Hastings work on UFOs and Nukes so I do think it's important to put this in its proper context that what we're seeing today if you actually have that context is probably what we've seen historically you

have these UFO flaps historically yes it's just ridiculous that it's happening now and that we don't know how to respond to it and we don't know how to discern what it is um and the drones even if let's say it's drones that would still freak people out um I I mean you could go you could even YouTube you don't even have to go but if you've ever been to like a a tech trade show where someone like GM or Chrysler is like showing their new prototype for a flying car which is essentially a quadcopter just

like sleeked out it's incred it looks crazy and it's a real thing that you could hop in and fly right now and there's no reason another Nation or some autonomous organization that's that's based out of Mexico where it doesn't have to follow us laws like Some billionaire couldn't put together a plan to get off the off the shore of New Jersey and the Atlantic Ocean and launch a bunch of these and some of them can launch off the water they could go from the water not under but from the water to the sky and it

and it looks like something out of you know historically would like a movie are there underwater UFO bases I would think so yeah yeah that seems to be the case yeah interesting this was part of the Challenge of my journey and how it took me a long time to get to the point to where I realized you know what we're dealing with is nhi versus our own advanced technology because there is a spectrum I mean we've kind of filled the Gap at least from an ignorant standpoint unless you have the right way to analyze what

you're observing and I use those terms broadly because we there's so much more than a human looking up with uh with like ultraviolet sensing eyeballs Like there's more than that and so but there's such a spectrum that it is it is hard to discern there's a lot of belief [Music] involved I want to put my cnic hat on for a second and ask some audience surrogate questions because I think a lot of people are probably just freaked out a little ontologically shocked at some of these claims so there's this conspiracy theory called Project Blue beam

there are people out There that think that this is all being orchestrated by the Deep state that these orbs or crafts will show up uh it'll be an opice for which to to clamp down and create a surveillance state or to create some fake you know Antichrist likee religious Awakening uh that is you know completely a shame what what do you have anything to say to that there has been an organized and an unorganized effort on behalf of the US government uh to to Disclose some of this stuff I mean as early as or I

mean as recent as like 2015 16 I mean ATP was certainly part of that effort um but like I don't think that should be looked looked at negatively I mean those who are The Gatekeepers or those who are holding the secrets or have the power to release it let's say first of all it's not one group it's multiple like what would you want them to do with it like we can't complain that we're they're not Telling us anything or they're putting out some organized disclosure program and soft serving it to us I think I think

that well first of all that has been done and um whether or not that's a bad idea or not I don't know so I think the philosophical question that naturally arises here is you are implementing techniques that seem like you're almost tapping into this sacred other spiritual World but you're sort of doing it on behalf of American defense obviously you've shown that your loyalty transcends just pure you know organizational expedience and realiz that this is actually bad for the country the way this thing was set up but what about loyalty above that even this metaphysical

loyalty loyalty to God and if these things are angels or Celestial creatures how do you square the fact that we're moving in kind of Celestial Realms but we're kind of you know using the frame of American defense with all of this stuff yeah that's a fun question and we're all forced to consider it once you get to this point uh like the Angels and Demons idea I think is a good place to kind of Orient the idea of what we're dealing with uh because there certainly is good energy and bad energy at play my experience

has been I would say 100% good energy like Profoundly good for so for whatever reason if this if this is an atypical experience or if it only represents one half of of the experiences people have with the nhi energy that's fine but my has been unbelievably positive and has been lifechanging and has guided me and given me orientation and motivation and Clarity it's it gives me so many things it's like being tapped into uh something like a guiding Guiding Light or an Omnipresent God that has your best will at heart but um the question comes

up often in our Circle of friends let's say um the question of are these things or is this phenomenon benevolent or malevolent and the answer is yes because much like us they're both we have the capacity for both good and evil and it just uh since we're talking Philosophically and Beyond like the universe itself has a pretty consistent set of elements and structure that we've already observed so to think that there's something like good and evil that exists throughout all domains and dimensions and distances uh makes a lot of sense it would also explain a

lot of what we're hearing through the Echoes of history related to the phenomenon Angels and Demons so that makes a lot of sense um And it's important to not be naive and assume that there's no reason to be worried about um a higher life form or a more technologically advanced life form or a more dominant life form let's just put it that way whether it it lives in our three-dimensional space or it's extradimensional uh it could be a real problem um which is why like on one hand For Better or For Worse the government is

the primary custodian on this knowledge and this hardware and They're they're the hammer that identifies everything as a nail they're they're a military-based organization so they're going to look for um advantages for offense and defense and you know it's easy to point fingers and say that's disgusting and this should be about love but that's not the way the world works and the freedom we experience and I I I'm qualified to speak on this from both sides like I'm a human I have love in my heart um I'm Open-minded I'm caring I'm sensitive but I'm also

a trained soldier and so I understand the value of that and we live in the benefits that have been provided to us from a military state from a military dominance on this planet and to assume to take that for granted is very unwise um so you know it's like the good analogy is like a kitchen knife kitchen knife could be used to make beautiful food for your family it could be used to defend yourself or to Maliciously kill another human is a knife good or bad it's the intention of the being wielding it that makes

the difference this brings up the next logical question which is that the assap program which ran from 2007 to 2012 under the opes of Harry Reid a lot of these guys were digging holes and looking into kind of exotic weaponry and they were doing it on Skinwalker Ranch and a lot of them reported this quote Unquote hitchhiker effect yeah and so all sorts of orbs and but honestly hauntings like really paranormal bad thing it's like as if they played with a Ouija board following them home and so it does seem like what you put in

is is is what you get out it's like that new radical son you know get what you give yeah and so um that might be part of it seek what seek and you shall find and so um I am also of the mind that protecting the Free World is not something we can Take for granted and so my hope is that whatever good nhi you know are are there like agree with that and then at the same time if you're antagonizing any of the good nhi and they're just actually just Superior to us I I

worry about that somewhat and um if you're doing it in the name of country but your country doesn't always act in the best possible way I mean that the uh you mentioned the term false flag before the history of American foreign policy is not the History of perfect you know uh uh moral alignment with with the higher good no it's means ends justified by means often often and so um yeah how do how do you think about all that going forward man um I think we should decentralize the ideas and what I mean by that

is one thing I hope comes of all of this is we encourage every individual to start looking into answering this question themselves not only by just doing your Own research uh online but inside don't look inside as much you're looking out walk outside look to the sky try doing something like praying um you don't even have to pray come up with another word for it if that's to like uh if there there's too much like judeo Christian stigma with that word like walk outside look at the sky open your heart and ask for the good

energy the universe to show something to you and it's that simple like stuff can happen in our experience Just by doing that you talk about The Hitchhiker effect and I shared that most of my experience has been positive but I haven't shared that stuff has followed me home and that my family sees it we have stuff show up over our house we have have um a UAP we call the angel that shows up and it looks like it has or Wings it's blue and it comes in materializes hangs out over the house it's seen by

neighbors it's seen by everybody and then it's gone it shoots Into outer space wow like the the classic the wings that describes a seraphim you know like an ancient kind of hebraic uh Angel and so I mean it makes sense like and that's the first time we saw it my son saw we thought it was Cloud it's like there's not a cloud in the sky but it seemed cloudy around this thing but it had like um it had like uh Wings it was blue and it had like more like butterfly wings than like what we

SE in like you think that that That's somehow protecting you or good or it it feels like a good energy like we can feel that energy I got in the aircraft that night is that same energy I get uh I mean it puts my my son in tears it puts like and he's not Not Afraid like he's moved um and it's incredible so like how do you explain that um and that's a good way to to maybe if you want to start being your own little amateur scientist if you walk outside and you open your

heart to the Good spirit of the universe and you ask for something specific it seems like a silly exercise and something happens let's say you get a craft did you just summon Advanced human technology did Edwards Air Force dispat dispatch an aircraft and hovered over your house probably not so it's probably more likely like there's something anomalous or nhib based with that situation then you know do you think that the uh inner outer dichotomy is a false one and that These things are somehow excavations of what's inside of you and maybe a future science is

actually a more spiritual science there's this 19th century Austrian philosopher Rudolph Steiner who talks about anthroposophy where it's studying the inner in order to Garner Mastery over the outer world that was what Alchemy was always about as well I think it's all on the table now that's like that's what's fun but also crazy about this is Like there's so much on the table there's so much to be explored and this is what I appreciate about Gary Dr Nolan's attitude is that he he thinks this is the greatest moment ever for science not like like something

that's ridiculous well I think what's beautiful about it is that since the enlightenment science and the spirit have cleaved off and bifurcated and if you were to go back to Francis Bacon he would say I am using the scientific Method was back then you know more empirical skepticism it wasn't called that at the time but I'm using that in order to discover God's secrets and since then you now you have like you know Richard Dawkins who's like this you know extremely you know is just atheist and he's he sort of you know disrespects anybody that

believes and then on the other side you have religious fundamentalists who don't take science super seriously and will like throw Darwin out like it like isn't even an effective local Theory which is probably you know it's probably has some use as a theory no I love that point because it's uh it's something like the the beauty of why a children a child could ask why infinitely and it can annoy an adult it's like why why why cuz you can track that and the fact that you can't put a lid on it or dead in that

line of questioning means that there's something that adult is missing in that scenario And that's the way I see the approach of the scientific method or thinking that the I that the pursuit of science is somehow uh is a skew to The Pursuit Of God because even within the scientific method where did that come from and why was it created why do you think it's worthwhile to have a method to objectively evaluate your environment you would would have to believe that it leads to a what you consider a good outcome now that leads To the

next question of well what what is a good outcome and why do you care about what good is totally you so you can't get away even in this this high horse of Science and the scientific method from the pursuit of science because if you're a scientist it's because you love science you want you have interest and an in that ex that going down this road objectively through the method is going to lead to something worthwhile for you And you just Loop right back around to understanding that you were seeking something good and worthwhile and where

does that come from yeah and maybe science and religion are you know bottoms of the pyramid and if you ascend you get to some omega point at the top where they meet and uh there's a great Meister eart quote theologians May qual but Mystics all speak the same Lang anguage and I do think if you are just intaking information in search of the Truth uh I think that's that's a that's a process that is agnostic of you know science is one method religion is another but um we're all sort of seeking some some sort of

outcome and it Jesus even says in the Book of Mark he says so I'm I'm paraphrasing but it's something like what you measure you'll get more of and so you know it's where you point your attention and intention and that seems to be something that is consistent with the phenomena when you talk about Attracting the good or the evil spirits uh I mean make no mistake there have been dark things that have happened within CR umou yeah to other groups and I'm not going to talk about that but just uh it doesn't mean though those

who hate talking about it this way in in the UAP culture don't want us talking about the negative want us to focus on the Positive it's because they think that that means our Behavior should change but it's it's complex like anything like it's uh the the good still exists even though there's bad but you can't you have to acknowledge that there are there are dangers associated with it if you're an audience member at this point I think you're probably wondering you're having a burning question which is what about space aliens this all seems to be

talk of spirituality inner outer orbs that Sort of thing where do do we have any evidence that these things come from other planets I don't know um I'll I'll give you one piece of information that people may have gotten out of the stuff that's come out the last couple of years but this this will help and it may not be the answer everyone wants but you know there's a reason we use the term biologics and uh there's a reason Dave really hung his hat on that phrase every time he used it That's because um biologics

didn't doesn't necessarily mean sentient beings or conscious creatures it could be something like a drone from another place like we do we send our drones we have like seon sent Voyager out like we've all done these things or not we've all but our government has done many drone programs Mars rovers Etc so the biologics could be something like soft tissue drones while some of the biological cargo that comes with these Craft is not conscious Consciousness itself is how you interact and pilot the craft which is ironic because For the First Time Ever the biological creatures

inside are not conscious but the craft is well it's funny you say that DARPA at this very moment is looking into a field called computational biology and we're looking at you know how do we uh manipulate the biological world you know create an anatomical compiler if you will and we're we're we're starting to Understand how cells operate on a more granular level and so you'd have to think some civilization either on another planet or ours uh with a lot more time energy and expertise maybe has figured out something like that and that brings me to

my next question which is a lot of people talk about being abducted by these gray aliens and a lot of the people who describe these abductions say that the gray aliens are sort of droid Likee robotic creatures that seem to be sent almost as like Messengers where they're doing these specific retrievals and insertions so insertions of you know implants and then retrievals of gametes genetic material that sort of thing yeah do you have any take on any of this stuff man that stuff first of all I have zero experience with gray or beings or meeting

something face to face I'd love to do it uh it sounds fun to me um sign me up but I mean as Crazy as it sounds the most trusted people in my circle that I have worked with and do work with um have those speak to having those firstand experiences with and so it's like what do you do with that and now I'm in the now I'm in the seat of well where's the proof like now I'm like I want to believe that like how can I get there and I can't because that's where it's

like I understand where people are taking my information and trying to get There with me and you just can't I just can't get there um but it's it's awfully intriguing because I believe that they believe that that happened um and there are reports that we do have biologics and storage and we just don't know what that is but this is all the more reason like why I'm excited to like move forward in this new Venture and the fact that we have we have created our own autonomy and that we're going out we have a budget

we're operating and we're We're in a public private partnership and I hope to answer all these questions um uh if all things go well before I'm trying not to say a date but within the first half of 2025 we hope to do a demonstration and and and invite key members of the public from institutions um and demonstrate this and maybe even get something to the ground if we can do it legally in coordination with um our government Partners which we have to do we can't just go Rogue and do This without them they have to

be involved but it is likely that we'll have an opportunity to do that and that's going to answer a lot of questions that would be absolutely insane look man like the skies aren't classified your conscience can't be redacted so get out there start looking up start looking in no yeah that's part of the reason I'm here is cuz you know I just became a dad a dad of a daughter who's 3 months old And I look at this little lady and I I feel like this responsibility for for helping at least to shape a a

positive world uh that heads towards progression in the right direction and I think disclosure is a much bigger conversation that will open a lot of people's eyes one thing you said to me on or us on the on the first phone call we had is you know people talk about this feeling of ontological shock where it's like it's Really hard for a lot of people to face the reality that their entire worldview is being challenged and I certainly felt that but one thing you said that I liked was you like to think of it as

ontological relief where it's like actually some of the questions about like when I look up in the sky it's like what what what am I what are we how are we here you know at least there's like a like some semblance of answers or or or something a little More that's explained that that actually makes me go huh all right it's making a little bit more sense than than it was before um yeah no and it's something like giving up atheism when you become a parent because you're like this can't be all I can't be

the smartest person in the room I can't be the rich the most influen influential person in the room I can't be the most powerful person in the room this is for the president when he goes to sleep at night like I'm not Qualified like I need there to be more I need there to be deeper meaning I need there to be more connection between us um I cuz every person even the bad guys that we run into in life at one time we're just an innocent little baby and there's something sweet and meaningful in every

human and that's what this whole thing offers like is is woo woo as that sounds like that's the the best thing that could be harvested by acknowledging this and it's got this This cold military political industrial um like stigma attached to it but that's not it it's not about like flying equipment like oh let can we get in a flying saucer and like get to London in 2 minutes or could we get there yesterday because now we know TR like screw all that the real implications are way more powerful and it's it's realizing that there

is something else out there that's maybe not extra at all it's something that's Part of us it's like outer space versus Inner Space is all the same and so I I hope there's something really beautiful on the other side of this which is why we need more people involved we need religious communities involved we need like we need the leftist most tree hugging spiritual people to get into this thing that's been controlled and it's been locked up by the most like tyrannical rightwing leaning people this is to me one of the Most important stories in

a millennium let alone a century because it should make everybody question core ontological truths and like you said hopefully open their eyes to a broader reality uh that is I think expansive and exciting so wow thank you man well thank you the pleasure is mine and let's make sure we get this out there so that future Generations aren't having to ReDiscover this thing all over again let's do it yeah Man huge news everyone we've been sitting on a ton of unreleased footage that we will now be releasing weekly in our new [ __ ] our

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