Pig. And the immediate location, the first immediate location was apartment 01, where the victim Isabele resided. And the apartment, uh, was initially closed; there was no one in the apartment.
When the expert went downstairs, some family members arrived , in this case João, and he went up to the apartment and opened it for the forensic examination. Therefore, the forensic examination begins at the moment the apartment is opened, and we begin the investigation. What is an investigation in this type of incident?
It's verifying the order of the apartment, whether there are signs of a struggle, whether there are signs, for example, of a place where she may have been thrown or any sign of a fight. And the expert then begins a series of procedures such as collecting fingerprints, collecting DNA, and photographing these locations. And uh, in this first location, it's important to highlight the first piece of information: no evidence of violence or a struggle was found.
Furthermore, after the forensic evidence was collected, it was found that in the forensic examination of the glass curtain in this apartment, which had a small glass curtain, only João's fingerprint was detected; Isabele's fingerprint was not detected on this glass curtain. Then, the expert went up to the rooftop of this apartment and surveyed this location as the probable immediate location of the incident. This immediate location then became a hypothesis of suicide, raised for the first time at this point by the forensic expert, and this is the line that was followed in the investigations and all the findings.
DNA and fingerprinting materials were collected so that it is possible to prove, let us say, this specific investigative line pursued by the forensic experts. The victim was identified in the apartment itself; an identification document was provided. The forensic expert photographed it, and this is included in the forensic expert's report; it's in the case file.
Why isn't it important and relevant to hand over the document for forensic analysis? The forensic team checks, and here in the state of Ceará, we are the agency that also handles civil identification. The forensic team performs both civil and criminal identification.
So, when a body is received by the forensic team, we check it through the fingerprinting of the corpse against the fingerprinting database and confirm Isabele's identification at that moment . So, when she was received by the forensic team, since she already had a document, including the police station's identification form, there's no way to say she was received as an unidentified person. The forensic team has a procedure where autopsies that are performed, bodies that are received on Sunday nights or any nighttime period, generally, unless there are exceptional circumstances, are examined the following day.
Isabele's autopsy was performed on Monday morning, the following day, like other routine autopsies, identifying her. And I'll talk a little about the medical examiner's work. Just to emphasize the identification process, this autopsy was performed in the morning, which I'll return to shortly.
But during the day, there's a routine at Perforce (the forensic institute) where bodies are identified. We check which bodies have been claimed; the term "claimed" refers to when a family member retrieves the body. At the end of the day, we inform the civil police which bodies have been identified and which have not been claimed.
This procedure is a necessary part of our daily routine at the end of each day. This didn't need to happen because Isabele's family—her mother and uncle—attended the autopsy at 4:30 PM and received information regarding the body release procedure, including funeral arrangements, etc. Okay, and the next morning, the family returned and released the body, and the body was formally identified.
There's a report about the cell phone, right? And I'll go back to that point. The cell phone was always with the body.
It came along and was in Isabele's pocket. It was fragmented during the fall, and at that moment it was handed over to the family and returned to the police, with the family's authorization, for analysis. Therefore, there's no question of a break in the chain of custody of the cell phone.
Okay, let's go to the first examination, the second examination, excluding the forensic examination, the second examination which is the medico-legal report. Okay, today, this same visit that the forensic expert makes to the apartment, there's always a protocol regarding the perspective of investigation, of gender-based violence. That's why it's important to check if there was a physical struggle, to check if there are any indications.
That's why it's important, including, that the expert and the Perforce staff talk to the people in the building. There's no prohibition against that. We can indeed gather information at the scene of the incident.
There is no prohibition against this. And the expert can include this information in their expert report, or not, as they deem it important. Therefore, during this analysis by the forensic doctor, it was verified that there was a necropsy with fragmentation of the body.
Isabele's right leg was amputated due to the fall . And in this information, laceration of the internal organs was verified, mainly the thoracic and abdominal organs, showing and corroborating a finding identified by the criminal investigation that the body fell, in the conclusion of our criminal expert report, in a way that there was a voluntary fall from the apartment, or rather, from the rooftop. Excuse me, a voluntary fall from the rooftop, where she fell from a vertical position, which is corroborated by a camera that confirms this dynamic provided by the investigation.
And when she makes contact with the ground, there's a grate at the point where her leg hits, causing a rupture and amputation of that leg. Our expertise showed that they were able to calculate the speed and time of the fall, which was around 3 seconds until she hit the ground. Therefore, the forensic pathologist identified the potential for pregnancy, however, this was ultimately ruled out, as there was no perception of it at that time.
The uterus was not pregnant. There was also evidence of violence, of aggression, including trauma to the neck and arms, but this perspective regarding gender-based violence was ultimately not detected. The injuries were, in fact, injuries resulting from a high kinetic impact of a body against the ground, and this fact was also clearly proven as well.
The forensic pathologist collected the necessary samples for complementary investigations, such as toxicological and alcohol tests, all of which came back negative. So, she hadn't consumed any alcoholic beverages, she hadn't used any type of illicit drug or other illicit drugs like medication. The only medication detected was carisoprodol, which is a muscle relaxant and its metabolites, which there was a report that she used, including in the video of her mother.
Therefore, this is a conclusion from the forensic medical report and the crime scene investigation report. DNA samples were also collected, along with fingerprint samples, and all these results are being processed by a team of independent experts. We had the participation of almost 20 experts, including auxiliary experts, in these investigations, all independently, because the laboratories are sent to different locations.
We perform this whole analysis regarding the entire dynamic that surrounds the circumstances of Isabele's death. The Civil Police requested the analysis of the security camera footage, right? We received all of the videos from the condominium, and we examined nearly 700 of them for any possible tampering, and ultimately no alterations to the files were detected at all.
The videos were examined by forensics, corroborating that the correct procedures and analysis by the police authority were carried out, thus endorsing, let's say, the integrity of these videos. The supplementary forensic analysis was requested, and it's extremely important , often due to the conditions under which the criminal investigation was conducted at night. We used a drone, calculated the distance to determine the speed, considering the weight of the body, so that the technical calculations that strengthen the theory we are presenting—the theory that was corroborated by all the findings from the forensic technical team—can be included in the reports.
So, I don't know if there are more reports. And to conclude and emphasize the importance of the forensic analysis, it hadn't been mentioned at any point. It's noticeable that there's been some commentary, given the repercussions of this case, but the forensic team often preferred not to comment until the conclusion of our reports.
It's very important to mention that today we have completed 11 reports, exactly 10 days after the event. And this is very symbolic, even for this press conference, because the forensic team has a legal deadline of 10 days to prepare our reports. Therefore, all the reports from PERFCE (Forensic Expertise and Criminalistics) were issued within the legal deadline, right?
And the Civil Police received all these reports . We have some reports that were issued later, stemming from questions from the investigation, which are still in production, and I believe that by the end of today these reports will also be produced. Therefore, the forensic team presents here this brief account, a historical context, so to speak, of the entire path taken by the technical expertise.
And we are available for any questions. Okay, let Dr Márcio speak, and then we'll open up completely. Well, regarding the Civil Police, uh, from the very beginning, we need to highlight our solidarity with Isabele's family and friends, and also with the entire population that has been closely following this case.
All this commotion , this interest in having all the clarifications regarding Isabele's death, is truly justified. So, from the very first moment that the Civil Police began this investigation, the gender perspective was taken into consideration. Initially, as the general expert said, it was treated as information about a suicide.
So, it came to us as this information about a suicide. Then we started investigating the case, corroborating the information , requesting cameras, carrying out investigations, and interviewing relatives the very next day. So, the Civil Police managed, from then until now, to consolidate some elements of proof, first to identify what had happened that day, right?
The relationship, information about the relationship. So, investigations were carried out, and what did we notice? A non-cooperative attitude from Isabele's boyfriend.
So, this was providential in the sense that we realized we needed to , first, maintain the confidentiality of the information, right? This is very important for a criminal investigation, to maintain confidentiality, to preserve the information so that we can be truly effective in the investigations and inquiries. So, with this non-cooperative attitude and with other elements that emerged during the investigations, after the testimonies, the Civil Police requested the preventive detention of João, precisely to preserve and guarantee the criminal investigation and the application of criminal law.
So, we can highlight several behaviors that really led the Civil Police to request this judicial measure. Ah, the information contained in the records, including testimonies, is that João never personally attempted to contact the family, he did not express himself. We also have information in the case files , through testimonies, that the following day João returned to the condominium and, looking for Isabele's phone, searched the location of the fall and the surrounding area.
He also, according to testimonies in the case files, allegedly prohibited family members from entering the condominium. We have information that the apartment had been cleaned and put up for sale. This information also comes from people who work at that condominium.
So, all of this was placed within this investigative framework. And we also corroborate with other information the fact that he did not present himself and did not appoint lawyers to represent him, to present himself to the civil police to clarify the facts. At no point was he willing to make himself available to provide clarity on the facts.
So, all of this was consolidated in this investigation, and the Civil Police, initially, requested a search and seizure warrant for his phone and his mother's phone, given the preliminary information that his mother was also at the condominium on the day of the events. Later, this was ruled out by the investigations, but we still requested the search warrants. Initially, on Sunday, we managed to locate the mother, who was also in an unknown location.
We didn't have a definitive answer as to where they were , neither he nor his mother. Another issue that led us to request the arrest was that at no point after he left the apartment, he left with his suitcases, asked for help, went to the apartment, and retrieved his belongings. At no point did he bother to say where he could be located, who could be a point of contact between him and his family or even the police.
So all of this was taken into account by the investigators , the detectives who are leading the investigation. And this culminated, after all these investigations, in the arrest of João. He was arrested.
And today we learned that the arrest has been upheld, so he remains in custody. But what we hope is that with everything that is being done, both by the forensics team and the Civil Police , we can finish all the ongoing investigations. The investigation is still ongoing; it hasn't been finalized .
We have cell phones that have been extracted, and we are analyzing everything contained on those devices: messages, information, photographs, videos—everything that is on those devices. So, we have Isabele's phone, which has already been extracted and is being analyzed. We also have João's phone, which has been extracted and is in the process of being extracted for analysis, and his mother's phone as well.
So, all of this will help us conclude and elucidate all the circumstances surrounding Isabele's death. Another important point: the testimonies point to an abusive relationship, psychological violence. This was even taken into consideration at the time of the arrest.
The information provided by witnesses and also obtained through the Civil Police investigation indicates that João maintained a controlling and limiting relationship with Irivi. We have testimonies stating that Isabele couldn't even go to the pharmacy alone or leave the office. So, logically, we are seeking corroboration of all this information that has been provided.
We have many, many testimonies in this regard, but initially, up until the moment the information was analyzed, this was also a decisive factor in requesting the arrest. First, to avoid any kind of destruction of evidence, destruction of information, and second, to effectively guarantee the necessary environment for us to continue investigating, preserving the investigation and the criminal proceedings. So, from the Civil Police's perspective, I believe that's all we have to report.
I need to clarify that much information cannot be made public because we have ongoing investigations; investigative activities are being carried out. So, we really need to preserve some information so that we don't have, in the future, the ineffectiveness of these investigations that are being carried out, aiming to effectively conclude this investigation, clarify for the population and, especially, for the family, the circumstances of Isabele's death and what preceded it, the moments that preceded this situation. So, from the Civil Police's perspective, that's also it.
Just to finish, one more point that needs to be clarified. Ah, we have a special investigation group leading this inquiry. We have Detective Alineia, Detective Amando, and Detective Patrícia, Detective Alineia, uh, the detective from the women's police station, right, the second women's police station in Fortaleza.
Detective Amando heads the capital's second precinct, while Dr Patrícia is the lead detective at the DHPP. So, uh, we established this special investigation group so that we could have all the necessary expertise to investigate all aspects of this investigation and this search for clarification of the facts that culminated in Isabele's death. One question.
Uh, this set of reports mentioned now by Dr Júlio indicates, from what I understand, a deliberate act. So, this suicide theory seems, at least for now, to be the only one. The question is whether the police are working with other possible outcomes in this case, besides suicide; it's already safe to say that suicide is currently the main line of investigation for the civil police.
Just to add to that, doctor, please, based on the colleague's question, is there any possibility that the investigation could lead to a change in the criminal classification of psychological violence? Well, regarding what the forensics team found, it's what they confirmed: this was indeed a voluntary act of suicide. So, the dynamics presented by the forensics team effectively show that.
We have elements of information within the investigation that also point to this scenario. However, we don't rule out any possibility, right? We clarify that the arrest itself was requested by the Civil Police in order to verify conduct that involved inducing or instigating suicide.
So, nothing is ruled out. We logically possess the technical information provided by our forensic department, which points toward suicide and voluntary action, but nothing is currently ruled out. Was there any assistance, what led up to that moment?
Was anyone else in that environment? What time was he, the boyfriend, in the apartment? Did he leave the apartment?
Did he return when he was out? Where was he? So, all of this is under investigation by the Civil Police.
The technical information is very important because it either leads us away from one line of investigation or corroborates a line of investigation that we should follow, but in a case like this, especially being investigated from a gender perspective, we don't rule anything out, right? It's about psychological violence. So, what we have in the records so far is that he really had a controlling relationship, a relationship that constrained Isabele, that sought to limit her free will, that even isolated her, which is a very characteristic behavior of an abusive relationship.
It's about controlling, isolating so that the person has limitations in their friendships, in their behaviors. So, all of this is being investigated. These are witness accounts.
So, many witnesses will still be heard. The information extracted from the phones is also fundamental for us to have this line of investigation truly strengthened. But we know that psychological violence has certain characteristics, and we really need to exhaust all avenues, not only psychological violence, but also inducement or instigation to suicide.
So all of that is investigated. Whether there was any kind of procedural fraud, any obstruction, whether there was destruction of evidence—all of that is taken into consideration by the investigation. The indictment in this case so far.
. . Well, the case is open, as I said, it hasn't been concluded yet .
At the end of the investigations, we will effectively be able to conclude which crimes João may have committed, what the definitive and conclusive circumstances were in the moments leading up to the death and everything that followed. So, since the investigation is still open and we still have a lot of information to be analyzed by our investigators, we can't really conclude which crimes he will be indicted for, what the conduct was. What we do know is: we have the cell phones, we have various image analyses being done, and intelligence operations are also being carried out.
So all of this will help us reach a definitive conclusion in this case. We already know about their last conversations and whether there was any element of conflict there, a central motivation for their conflict. Well, we already have the conversations , right?
That's the subject of investigation. Unfortunately, we can't publicize what was said, what we have related to this, so as not to compromise the progress of the investigations. Tomasso, Dr Júlio, there's a lot of talk about the evidence, right?
There were cameras on the roof, it was ruled out that the other person was with her on the roof, and we also have information that these cameras were shown, these images were shown to the family. That's true. Do you want to talk about the cameras?
Regarding the cameras on the roof. No, there aren't any cameras. There never was a camera on the roof.
We have cameras that show the trajectory of the body's fall. This camera was even important for calculating the dynamics of the fall. Isabele wasn't thrown by another person .
Yes, our forensic experts confirmed that the dynamics are those of voluntary vertical fall. While she was there for about an hour, another person also went up to a location. It's very complicated.
We don't have the expertise to confirm that it happened from the moment she left the elevator until the death occurred 1 hour and 28 minutes later. Does the police know, do they have information about what happened during that time period? Yes, and just to add, the way the camera filmed her going to the penthouse, that was the question, perhaps from a colleague: uh, is there a record of other people going to the same location during that hour and a half interval, from elevator cameras that also captured her, saw her pressing the 23rd floor button, another person also during that time frame?
Well, we have teams that have examined the images, right, that were collected in the building and checked all the movement in the building, the elevators , all the areas that had cameras. We did not identify any movement in that sense through the cameras, right? So, uh, the investigations, as we haven't yet concluded all aspects of the case and the condominium, we analyzed cameras, we analyzed conversations, right, what she did after she went upstairs.
What we can say without compromising the investigations is that she spent a good amount of time communicating with some people on the phone, sending messages and interacting with people, but we can't disclose that so as not to hinder the investigations. The civil police went to the scene on the 13th, they were called on the day of the death. Police, forensics, and military police went, but we haven't mentioned the civil police were on site .
Regarding the initial contact of the public security system with that event on that day, the specific protocol that was activated was a report concerning a case of suicide. So, with this report, the Military Police were called to provide initial assistance, preserve the scene, and the forensics team also went to the scene to conduct the forensics and all the necessary on-site investigations. At that time, he did not perceive any element which could indicate that the occurrence in question might not have been a case of suicide.
Therefore, the Civil Police weren't called in at first, because everything was treated as a suicide. The expert didn't find any evidence of any other situation that would lead to the involvement of the Homicide and Personal Protection Department (DHPP) and the investigative work of the DHPP. This investigative work of the Civil Police really took place at the police station, based on the testimonies.
From the very beginning, the version presented by the victim's own family members was taken into consideration from a gender perspective. So, from there, Isabele's brother and uncle were heard, they provided relevant information, and from then on, other people were called. Image collection efforts were also carried out, and the Civil Police established this joint coordination between the territorial police station, which is the second police station in the capital, the Women's Police Station, and the Homicide Department.
Doctor, regarding the cameras that were there, right? You mentioned that several cameras captured images, there was a specific camera at the door of João's apartment. Who removed that camera?
We already have that image, who took it? When did that removal happen in relation to João's capture? Yesterday we had an image, right, that was captured, showing him arriving at DECAP without being handcuffed.
I'd like you to explain why he ended up arriving without being handcuffed, if it's a routine or common procedure. Regarding João's stay at DECAP as well. He spent the whole night there, we have information that he was kept there under medication, he spent practically the whole night crying.
There was also a room, an isolated cell , because he was under threat from the other prisoners. I'd like you to talk about these points. Well, regarding the camera, we have information that was verified by the forensics team at the scene, which indicates that in a certain location there was a structure that leads us to believe there was a camera there.
The forensic team can't identify the exact moment, whether the camera was actually there, and when it was removed. They managed to get earlier footage, right? Because it's a corridor image, so there aren't any elements there to indicate that.
It wasn't ruled out; we took that into consideration in our investigations regarding the use of handcuffs—it's protocol, right, even simulated by the Supreme Federal Court. So, the police officer puts on handcuffs when they identify a risk of escape or harm to their safety. I believe that the officers at that moment, during that transition, during that transfer, didn't identify that.
But that's a very personal matter for the officer making the arrest. Will this condition, this adoption of the standard, be investigated? No, actually , the officer has the discretion to, in a case of risk, of the possibility of escape—it's very much a perception of the officer.
So, if he didn't put on handcuffs, I believe he didn't have that perception of escape or any kind of resistance. And the issue of isolating the location , that he would be isolated there at the DEC (Department of Criminal Investigations). Well, he was placed, I believe, in isolation, awaiting the custody hearing, right?
I don't know the details exactly. Ah, what happened after the custody hearing. What we received is that his detention was maintained, right?
So, we are now awaiting new instructions, including whether there were any conditions imposed by the judiciary. So, all of this will be analyzed from now on, following the maintenance of his pre-trial detention. But in this case, they are not in the same place; not all prisoners, when detained, go there and stay in the same place.
Why would he have been in a different place? Look, we have to see exactly what the perception was of whoever took him into custody, and determine if there is any potential risk to his personal integrity or his life. So all of this is really a perception of that unit that is holding custody of this prisoner, okay?
Doctor Mar, this question is just to clarify something for someone who is a layperson. According to article 122, induced suicide is a crime, psychological violence against women is a crime, and obstruction of justice is a crime. We have evidence of at least these three crimes.
To be perfectly clear, we have evidence of psychological violence based on the testimonies, which is being effectively verified and corroborated by investigations into the inducement or instigation of suicide. We cannot confirm this at this moment. It depends on some analyses that we are conducting.
Regarding obstruction, we are also working to verify if there was any destruction of evidence. The analysis of João's phone will show us this. He may have sought to destroy evidence, to destroy some kind of document he kept on that phone.
In short, all of this will be exhaustively analyzed and verified by our police officers. During the investigation, information emerged indicating that he had, in fact, departed from the office where he was previously employed while carrying a debt of approximately R $ 30,000 for the firm. The mother recorded a video and said that he even tried to get the loan by talking about a surgery, that it would be for surgery .
Was there any pressure? Did they get any proof? If there was any pressure from him for her to get this money through her card, would that have caused a strain on the relationship?
Did they get any proof regarding this debt? Well, initially, it circulated that he was a lawyer, right? So, this information was discarded.
He is not actually a lawyer; In truth, he is not a lawyer, he holds a bachelor of laws; he worked as a legal representative in some judicial situations, acting on behalf of a company or his own office, but he was not an attorney. And the information related to the time he spent there, information about his daily life in that office, is still being analyzed. We even have hearings scheduled to analyze all these circumstances related to the debts.
We do have information indicating that he would have requested Isabele's card, but this is data that is still being verified by our investigation teams and through our own analyses. We will only be able to conclude and present this to the public once it is confirmed that this information does not compromise the development of the next steps of our investigation in any way whatsoever . This includes the possibility that Isabele owed money to João Minh, and that part of the pressure she may have been under on the day she was found dead was also due to the ongoing debt collections that he was actively making against her at that time.
In this regard, can the police confirm any of this information, specifically if she truly owed money to her boyfriend, and whether—given you have stated that you possess the conversations from the day that everything occurred—there was indeed any type of demand for payment made by him toward her concerning this particular amount of money? Can you give us any further details? I could also add that she had some financial problems in those conversations with other people that might not be related to her relationship with João, if there are any indications in that direction, and if that could also be one of the lines of investigation.
What we can say, without compromising the progress of the investigations, is that there is indeed this information, this information, in fact, related to a debt between them and debts with other people; it's really part of the investigation. But we can't conclude anything yet, because there's a lot of information being analyzed that could help clarify this point, which is also being analyzed by our teams. Yes, doctor, about the forensic examination, you said she jumped over the position.
Is it possible to rule out that someone was bidding on her? This jump or not? It's still an investigation.
What the forensic experts can ascertain is the body's trajectory, the body's path. They even calculated the horizontal movement, that is, the possibility of one force or another being responsible for this precipitation, and that was, let's say, ruled out. So, the presence of someone nearby who could speak, well, we can't measure that, right?
This report that was done on the body, excuse me, in the body report, are there any previous marks from days before, bruises, anything, or any kind of defense? No, I even mentioned that this analysis was done from a gender perspective and no signs of defense or physical struggle were detected before the event, given that the body's characteristics also made it very difficult due to the degree of laceration. Guys, João told the experts the last thing.
What did João tell the experts right after death? What did João tell the experts right after death? I don't know.
I'm loving it too. João spoke to the experts. I don't have that information, but I believe you said that he opened the apartment for the.
. . What happened regarding contact with João in relation to the expert analysis that was formally communicated to the higher management was regarding identification, right, regarding providing Isabele's identification document that was photographed.
That's the information we have. It's because you said that he had gone up to open an apartment at some point. It was at that moment that he.
. . Yes.
Ah, I understand. He handed over the document. Dr Manuel .
Dr Márcio. Uh, regarding that, there is information that João's mother has a position of influence within the Penitentiary Secretariat and also information that the following day João's brother would be in the building to try to sell. .
. Is there any information about an attempt at procedural fraud on the part of both of them? Do you rule out any attempt to interfere in the investigation?
No, nothing is ruled out. What really caught our attention was the information that they went to the apartment, hired someone to clean it, and then the information suggests that the apartment was put up for sale. This includes information that a "for sale" sign was placed there on Tuesday in the building.
So, all of this really corroborates the Civil Police's stance in identifying a non-cooperative situation, perhaps a possibility of destruction of evidence, of withholding evidence. And that's why we requested his preventive detention, along with the information about psychological abuse, and the information that he had no intention of cooperating with clarifying the facts. What happened in the following days also raised a very high alert.
He went to the property to look for Isabele's cell phone. He prohibited the family from entering the building. He said it wasn't him, he told the building administrator not to allow any family member to enter.
He deactivated his social media profile and he also didn't answer the calls that were made. So, all of this gave us the conditions to request his preventive detention, mainly to secure and preserve the criminal investigation . Just to finish, the doctor mentioned almost 700 videos.
These videos, in the police's view, are in strategic locations. For example, you have access to the penthouse by elevator, but there are also stairs. There were cameras in these areas that could show if someone arrived there during the hour and a half she was there by another means other than the elevator.
What we identified is that this condominium has the same perspective as many other condominiums, without blind spots, right? The stairs really don't have any points of contact with the images, there are no cameras there, and the rooftop terrace also didn't have cameras. So, of course, if there were, we would be able to verify with much more quality the dynamics, the moments that preceded Isabele's fall.
But there are really these issues, both on the stairs and on the rooftop, that are not covered by the cameras. And logically, the Civil Police works with all other perspectives, right? Access to the building, who somehow went up in the elevators, hours before, hours after, someone went down, right?
Was there any access by stairs at some point, someone left by the stairs and took an elevator ? So all of that makes up our field of investigation. The police are not sure if Isabel was alone, there are, you know, works being developed precisely for us to conclude whether she was alone or not.
Today we have no information indicating that she was with someone. So, we still have some expert analyses that are being completed and we have some investigative issues that are also being developed, which I believe will be important for this clarification. And how influential is the presence of the representative from the women's police station in the investigation?
Can you talk a little about that? No, we're going to be present now. Okay .
